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| From | Richard <rgrdev_@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.fortran, comp.lang.c |
| Subject | Re: Is goto Still Considered Harmful? |
| Date | 2014-03-19 17:05 +0100 |
| Organization | http://www.ieee.org/ |
| Message-ID | <8738ienphl.fsf@gmail.com> (permalink) |
| References | (2 earlier) <lgadtp$9s0$1@dont-email.me> <2kohi99ifn8opluhqi8rovcp59n050hu00@4ax.com> <lgbvcl$tca$1@dont-email.me> <vNfWu.64226$Uh7.61147@fx28.am4> <5329A488.9070105@verizon.net> |
Cross-posted to 2 groups.
James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> writes:
> On 03/19/2014 08:08 AM, BartC wrote:
>> "James Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:lgbvcl$tca$1@dont-email.me...
> ...
>>> I would guess that "whenever I get a chance" refers to when maintenance
>>> is needed for other reasons; that's the same rule I use when determining
>>> whether to make stylistic improvements to working code. And it's pretty
>>> plausible that any code that old is indeed difficult to maintain because
>>> of its spaghetti shape.
>>
>> If it really was spaghetti code, then yes.
>>
>> But if the gotos were used sensibly to construct missing control
>> statements,
Idiots will tell you that's not possible. As someone with years
assembler not only is it done, it must be done or, yes, its hard to maintain.
>
> Such code can still be hard to maintain - there's a legitimate reason
> why those control statements were added to later versions of Fortran.
Its just as hard if not harder to keep in your head the multiple ways a
function can fall through to a single return statement. It's nonsense to
insist on one return statement.
if(c) then {
prepare_stuff(;
return INITIAL_SETUP_COMPLETE;
}else if(d){
return ALREADY_DONE
}
return BLAH;
Simple but sometimes we need to keep it simply. A lot of time
maintaining live code bases we need to step through code and explicit
returns like that make it a LOT simpler to follow.
Too much theory over practice with no reference to real development and
maintenance tools makes a pretty shitty and useless team member.
--
"Avoid hyperbole at all costs, its the most destructive argument on
the planet" - Mark McIntyre in comp.lang.c
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