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  Re: Chinese software isn't the biggest problem Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-09-30 22:58 +1000
    Re: Chinese software isn't the biggest problem not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-10-01 08:04 +1000
      Re: Chinese software isn't the biggest problem Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2024-10-01 09:06 +1000
      Re: Chinese software isn't the biggest problem Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-10-01 05:05 +0000
        Re: Chinese software isn't the biggest problem Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2024-10-02 09:13 +1000
          Re: Chinese software isn't the biggest problem Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-10-02 11:26 +1000
            Re: Chinese software isn't the biggest problem Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2024-10-02 12:08 +1000
              Re: Chinese software isn't the biggest problem Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-10-02 13:52 +1000
                Re: Chinese software isn't the biggest problem Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2024-10-02 19:30 +1000
    Re: Chinese software isn't the biggest problem Keithr0 <nothing.to.see@here.com.au> - 2024-10-02 08:55 +1000
      Re: Chinese software isn't the biggest problem Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-10-02 11:14 +1000
        Re: Chinese software isn't the biggest problem Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-10-02 17:37 +1000
          Re: Chinese software isn't the biggest problem alvey <Hans.Andnees@gmail.com> - 2024-10-03 06:55 +1000
            Re: Chinese software isn't the biggest problem Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2024-10-03 07:28 +1000
              Re: Chinese software isn't the biggest problem Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-10-03 13:21 +1000

#71320 — Re: Chinese software isn't the biggest problem

Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 30-Sept-24 6:48 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 30-Sept-24 3:50 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>> Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>> On 28-Sept-24 5:48 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> It's the manufacturers software.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/09/flaw-in-kia-web-portal-let-researchers-track-hack-cars/ 
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The same potential issue applies to any "internet of things" device 
>>>> in your home. If they are on your internal LAN (by accessing your 
>>>> WiFi, for example), then they're providing a tunnel from the 
>>>> supplier's computer system through your firewall, and you have no 
>>>> idea how well the supplier's end is protected.
>>>
>>> I won't have any internet 'listening' devices in any home I live in
>>>
>>
>> No, but it's not just those. Anything that can be remotely updated 
>> automatically (sometimes whether you want it to be, or not), or which 
>> can be talked to via a smartphone, will usually work by phoning home, 

cameras for instance. I have all internal cameras set facing wall 
surfaces, so even if they were hacked nothing would be seen. but I would 
know if they were hacked because they would have turned to face into the 
rooms. I turn them via smartphone control to monitor the rooms if away 
for any length of time, like holidays. but if they were hacked I'm not 
sure what info could be got from them.

>> and have the potential to be accessed by hackers who break into the 
>> systems that the device phones home to.
>>
>> Indeed smartphones themselves are a vulnerability if they access your 
>> internal WiFi.

I have them set in non listening mode. ie. no 'hey google'. i have to 
use the search bar, but I can use voice input in it

>>
>> Sylvia.
>>
>
> Hmm.. maybe I construed your 'listening' rather narrowly. Sorry about 
> that.

no, not really. I was thinking of Alexa, google, etc,.

>
> Sylvia.


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#71321

In aus.computers Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> wrote:
> cameras for instance. I have all internal cameras set facing wall 
> surfaces, so even if they were hacked nothing would be seen. but I would 
> know if they were hacked because they would have turned to face into the 
> rooms. I turn them via smartphone control to monitor the rooms if away 
> for any length of time, like holidays. but if they were hacked I'm not 
> sure what info could be got from them.

For about a year I've been getting scam messages sent to random
addresses at my mail server that claim to be from a hacker who got
video of me watching porn from my webcam, and is trying to blackmail
me for bitcoins. The effect of these emails is limited by the fact
that I don't even have a webcam on the computers I use regularly,
and I don't watch porn on them anyway.

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#71322

On 1 Oct 2024 08:04:46 +1000, not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd
Kev) wrote:

>In aus.computers Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> wrote:
>> cameras for instance. I have all internal cameras set facing wall 
>> surfaces, so even if they were hacked nothing would be seen. but I would 
>> know if they were hacked because they would have turned to face into the 
>> rooms. I turn them via smartphone control to monitor the rooms if away 
>> for any length of time, like holidays. but if they were hacked I'm not 
>> sure what info could be got from them.
>
>For about a year I've been getting scam messages sent to random
>addresses at my mail server that claim to be from a hacker who got
>video of me watching porn from my webcam, and is trying to blackmail
>me for bitcoins. The effect of these emails is limited by the fact
>that I don't even have a webcam on the computers I use regularly,
>and I don't watch porn on them anyway.
>
Some kid getting his jollies.
Haven't had one since last year, must send milions feed spamtrap email
addresses usually gets that Botnet IP blocked
<https://www.spamcop.net/sc?id=z6909225578zd2986ed6007c696cc5cac436cc280f55z>
     https://t.ly/uQsMr 
spam report
-- 
Petzl 
The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other
people's money.

On March fourteenth, in the year of our Lord. Eighteen eighty three
Karl Marx made his most important contribution to mankind...
He died

There is no difference between communism and socialism,
except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end:
communism proposes to enslave men by force,
socialism - by vote.
It is merely the difference between murder and suicide 
#Margaret Thatcher

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#71324

Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
> In aus.computers Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> wrote:
>> cameras for instance. I have all internal cameras set facing wall 
>> surfaces, so even if they were hacked nothing would be seen. but I would 
>> know if they were hacked because they would have turned to face into the 
>> rooms. I turn them via smartphone control to monitor the rooms if away 
>> for any length of time, like holidays. but if they were hacked I'm not 
>> sure what info could be got from them.
> 
> For about a year I've been getting scam messages sent to random
> addresses at my mail server that claim to be from a hacker who got
> video of me watching porn from my webcam, and is trying to blackmail
> me for bitcoins. The effect of these emails is limited by the fact
> that I don't even have a webcam on the computers I use regularly,
> and I don't watch porn on them anyway.
> 
Yeah, had the same happen to me years ago, nothing new. It happened on a
Win laptop that, unusually, didn’t even have a camera. I ignored it and the
world continued on. 

____
Xeno

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#71335

On 1 Oct 2024 05:05:44 GMT, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

>Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
>> In aus.computers Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> wrote:
>>> cameras for instance. I have all internal cameras set facing wall 
>>> surfaces, so even if they were hacked nothing would be seen. but I would 
>>> know if they were hacked because they would have turned to face into the 
>>> rooms. I turn them via smartphone control to monitor the rooms if away 
>>> for any length of time, like holidays. but if they were hacked I'm not 
>>> sure what info could be got from them.
>> 
>> For about a year I've been getting scam messages sent to random
>> addresses at my mail server that claim to be from a hacker who got
>> video of me watching porn from my webcam, and is trying to blackmail
>> me for bitcoins. The effect of these emails is limited by the fact
>> that I don't even have a webcam on the computers I use regularly,
>> and I don't watch porn on them anyway.
>> 
>Yeah, had the same happen to me years ago, nothing new. It happened on a
>Win laptop that, unusually, didn’t even have a camera. I ignored it and the
>world continued on. 
>
>____
>Xeno
This is a very good freeware program can't recommend paying for it,
they slapped me a monthly fee for some rubbish I never wanted, but
stopped after I complained but did not refund the month "suport" I
didn't ask for/

SUPERAntiSpyware  better than Malwarebytes IMO but full check takes 3
hours on my dated WIN10
You must close all browsers for a scan, then, well I go shopping or
watch a movie and or both.
https://www.superantispyware.com
__ 
Petzl
"99 little bugs in the code. 99 little bugs in the code. 
Take one down, patch it around. 
127 little bugs in the code."
Fixing bugs in your code
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dW7dEiOOV1E
--
Petzl

Islam is of course synonymous with terrorism
There are more Australian Muslims fighting with al Qaeda linked
groups than there are in the Australian Defence Force fighting against them!
.
Major majority of the worlds refugees are created by Islam since the
days of Mohammad. Mainly because Islam is actually a violent political
process, not a religion at all.
Islamic conquests have always been by infiltration (Trojan Horse:
Al-Hijra, The Islamic Doctrine of Immigration). This is how Islam
grows, a violent political process using , terrorist attack from
within, eventually followed by surprise attack, followed by killing
for killings sake.
Once Moslems have foothold maintaining rule is held by continued
carnage and ruthlessness.
Until it's recognized Islam is the problem nothing will change!
How Islam began and still violently grows
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERou_Q5l9Gw

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#71338

Petzl wrote:
> On 1 Oct 2024 05:05:44 GMT, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
>> Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
>>> In aus.computers Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> wrote:
>>>> cameras for instance. I have all internal cameras set facing wall
>>>> surfaces, so even if they were hacked nothing would be seen. but I would
>>>> know if they were hacked because they would have turned to face into the
>>>> rooms. I turn them via smartphone control to monitor the rooms if away
>>>> for any length of time, like holidays. but if they were hacked I'm not
>>>> sure what info could be got from them.
>>> For about a year I've been getting scam messages sent to random
>>> addresses at my mail server that claim to be from a hacker who got
>>> video of me watching porn from my webcam, and is trying to blackmail
>>> me for bitcoins. The effect of these emails is limited by the fact
>>> that I don't even have a webcam on the computers I use regularly,
>>> and I don't watch porn on them anyway.
>>>
>> Yeah, had the same happen to me years ago, nothing new. It happened on a
>> Win laptop that, unusually, didn’t even have a camera. I ignored it and the
>> world continued on.
>>
>> ____
>> Xeno
> This is a very good freeware program can't recommend paying for it,
> they slapped me a monthly fee for some rubbish I never wanted, but
> stopped after I complained but did not refund the month "suport" I
> didn't ask for/
>
> SUPERAntiSpyware  better than Malwarebytes IMO but full check takes 3
> hours on my dated WIN10
> You must close all browsers for a scan, then, well I go shopping or
> watch a movie and or both.
> https://www.superantispyware.com

haven't heard of that one, but https://www.spyhunter.com/ does a very 
comprehensive scan for free, but then you need to pay for removal. but 
at least with the free scan you'll know if there's anything on your 
system you need to deal with.

> __
> Petzl
> "99 little bugs in the code. 99 little bugs in the code.
> Take one down, patch it around.
> 127 little bugs in the code."

lol. very true!

> Fixing bugs in your code
> https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dW7dEiOOV1E
> --
> Petzl
>
> Islam is of course synonymous with terrorism
> There are more Australian Muslims fighting with al Qaeda linked
> groups than there are in the Australian Defence Force fighting against them!
> .
> Major majority of the worlds refugees are created by Islam since the
> days of Mohammad. Mainly because Islam is actually a violent political
> process, not a religion at all.
> Islamic conquests have always been by infiltration (Trojan Horse:
> Al-Hijra, The Islamic Doctrine of Immigration). This is how Islam
> grows, a violent political process using , terrorist attack from
> within, eventually followed by surprise attack, followed by killing
> for killings sake.
> Once Moslems have foothold maintaining rule is held by continued
> carnage and ruthlessness.
> Until it's recognized Islam is the problem nothing will change!
> How Islam began and still violently grows
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERou_Q5l9Gw


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Have a nice day!..
stay sane, be happy, and enjoy living.

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#71339

On Wed, 2 Oct 2024 11:26:53 +1000, Mighty Mouse
<"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> wrote:

>Petzl wrote:
>> On 1 Oct 2024 05:05:44 GMT, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>> Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
>>>> In aus.computers Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> wrote:
>>>>> cameras for instance. I have all internal cameras set facing wall
>>>>> surfaces, so even if they were hacked nothing would be seen. but I would
>>>>> know if they were hacked because they would have turned to face into the
>>>>> rooms. I turn them via smartphone control to monitor the rooms if away
>>>>> for any length of time, like holidays. but if they were hacked I'm not
>>>>> sure what info could be got from them.
>>>> For about a year I've been getting scam messages sent to random
>>>> addresses at my mail server that claim to be from a hacker who got
>>>> video of me watching porn from my webcam, and is trying to blackmail
>>>> me for bitcoins. The effect of these emails is limited by the fact
>>>> that I don't even have a webcam on the computers I use regularly,
>>>> and I don't watch porn on them anyway.
>>>>
>>> Yeah, had the same happen to me years ago, nothing new. It happened on a
>>> Win laptop that, unusually, didn’t even have a camera. I ignored it and the
>>> world continued on.
>>>
>>> ____
>>> Xeno
>> This is a very good freeware program can't recommend paying for it,
>> they slapped me a monthly fee for some rubbish I never wanted, but
>> stopped after I complained but did not refund the month "suport" I
>> didn't ask for/
>>
>> SUPERAntiSpyware  better than Malwarebytes IMO but full check takes 3
>> hours on my dated WIN10
>> You must close all browsers for a scan, then, well I go shopping or
>> watch a movie and or both.
>> https://www.superantispyware.com
>
>haven't heard of that one, but https://www.spyhunter.com/ does a very 
>comprehensive scan for free, but then you need to pay for removal. but 
>at least with the free scan you'll know if there's anything on your 
>system you need to deal with.
>
Yes SpyHunter is very good but expensive 
also dishonored at the till with me! 
Double charging slapping me with their programs I didn't want!
>
SUPERAntiSpyware is at least just as good 
Malwarebytes also expensive but does come up with registry Value
entries which only activate if SpyWare is on windows start-up
https://ibb.co/cYDzqWK
For Android mobiles BitDefender is best IMO
>> __
>> Petzl
>> "99 little bugs in the code. 99 little bugs in the code.
>> Take one down, patch it around.
>> 127 little bugs in the code."
>
>lol. very true!
>
>> Fixing bugs in your code
>> https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dW7dEiOOV1E

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#71340

Petzl wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Oct 2024 11:26:53 +1000, Mighty Mouse
> <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> wrote:
>
>> Petzl wrote:
>>> On 1 Oct 2024 05:05:44 GMT, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> In aus.computers Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> wrote:
>>>>>> cameras for instance. I have all internal cameras set facing wall
>>>>>> surfaces, so even if they were hacked nothing would be seen. but I would
>>>>>> know if they were hacked because they would have turned to face into the
>>>>>> rooms. I turn them via smartphone control to monitor the rooms if away
>>>>>> for any length of time, like holidays. but if they were hacked I'm not
>>>>>> sure what info could be got from them.
>>>>> For about a year I've been getting scam messages sent to random
>>>>> addresses at my mail server that claim to be from a hacker who got
>>>>> video of me watching porn from my webcam, and is trying to blackmail
>>>>> me for bitcoins. The effect of these emails is limited by the fact
>>>>> that I don't even have a webcam on the computers I use regularly,
>>>>> and I don't watch porn on them anyway.
>>>>>
>>>> Yeah, had the same happen to me years ago, nothing new. It happened on a
>>>> Win laptop that, unusually, didn’t even have a camera. I ignored it and the
>>>> world continued on.
>>>>
>>>> ____
>>>> Xeno
>>> This is a very good freeware program can't recommend paying for it,
>>> they slapped me a monthly fee for some rubbish I never wanted, but
>>> stopped after I complained but did not refund the month "suport" I
>>> didn't ask for/
>>>
>>> SUPERAntiSpyware  better than Malwarebytes IMO but full check takes 3
>>> hours on my dated WIN10
>>> You must close all browsers for a scan, then, well I go shopping or
>>> watch a movie and or both.
>>> https://www.superantispyware.com
>> haven't heard of that one, but https://www.spyhunter.com/ does a very
>> comprehensive scan for free, but then you need to pay for removal. but
>> at least with the free scan you'll know if there's anything on your
>> system you need to deal with.
>>
> Yes SpyHunter is very good but expensive
> also dishonored at the till with me!
> Double charging slapping me with their programs I didn't want!
> SUPERAntiSpyware is at least just as good
> Malwarebytes also expensive but does come up with registry Value
> entries which only activate if SpyWare is on windows start-up
> https://ibb.co/cYDzqWK

PUPs aren't usually anything to worry about

> For Android mobiles BitDefender is best IMO

I don't use anything on mobiles, and just Defender on PC, which is as 
good as anything else according to reviews eg. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKrHWM1VeFQ&t=467s

>>> __
>>> Petzl
>>> "99 little bugs in the code. 99 little bugs in the code.
>>> Take one down, patch it around.
>>> 127 little bugs in the code."
>> lol. very true!
>>
>>> Fixing bugs in your code
>>> https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dW7dEiOOV1E


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Have a nice day!..
stay sane, be happy, and enjoy living.

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#71342

On Wed, 2 Oct 2024 13:52:42 +1000, Mighty Mouse
<"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> wrote:

>Petzl wrote:
>> On Wed, 2 Oct 2024 11:26:53 +1000, Mighty Mouse
>> <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Petzl wrote:
>>>> On 1 Oct 2024 05:05:44 GMT, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> In aus.computers Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> cameras for instance. I have all internal cameras set facing wall
>>>>>>> surfaces, so even if they were hacked nothing would be seen. but I would
>>>>>>> know if they were hacked because they would have turned to face into the
>>>>>>> rooms. I turn them via smartphone control to monitor the rooms if away
>>>>>>> for any length of time, like holidays. but if they were hacked I'm not
>>>>>>> sure what info could be got from them.
>>>>>> For about a year I've been getting scam messages sent to random
>>>>>> addresses at my mail server that claim to be from a hacker who got
>>>>>> video of me watching porn from my webcam, and is trying to blackmail
>>>>>> me for bitcoins. The effect of these emails is limited by the fact
>>>>>> that I don't even have a webcam on the computers I use regularly,
>>>>>> and I don't watch porn on them anyway.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, had the same happen to me years ago, nothing new. It happened on a
>>>>> Win laptop that, unusually, didn’t even have a camera. I ignored it and the
>>>>> world continued on.
>>>>>
>>>>> ____
>>>>> Xeno
>>>> This is a very good freeware program can't recommend paying for it,
>>>> they slapped me a monthly fee for some rubbish I never wanted, but
>>>> stopped after I complained but did not refund the month "suport" I
>>>> didn't ask for/
>>>>
>>>> SUPERAntiSpyware  better than Malwarebytes IMO but full check takes 3
>>>> hours on my dated WIN10
>>>> You must close all browsers for a scan, then, well I go shopping or
>>>> watch a movie and or both.
>>>> https://www.superantispyware.com
>>> haven't heard of that one, but https://www.spyhunter.com/ does a very
>>> comprehensive scan for free, but then you need to pay for removal. but
>>> at least with the free scan you'll know if there's anything on your
>>> system you need to deal with.
>>>
>> Yes SpyHunter is very good but expensive
>> also dishonored at the till with me!
>> Double charging slapping me with their programs I didn't want!
>> SUPERAntiSpyware is at least just as good
>> Malwarebytes also expensive but does come up with registry Value
>> entries which only activate if SpyWare is on windows start-up
>> https://ibb.co/cYDzqWK
>
>PUPs aren't usually anything to worry about
>
>> For Android mobiles BitDefender is best IMO
>
>I don't use anything on mobiles, and just Defender on PC, which is as 
>good as anything else according to reviews eg. 
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKrHWM1VeFQ&t=467s
>

Suggest you use SUPERAntiSpyware at least once on a Windows computer
to kill the PUP's which Microsoft won't do.
Reboot
Then tell me you don't see a big kick in it's speed?
>>>> __
>>>> Petzl
>>>> "99 little bugs in the code. 99 little bugs in the code.
>>>> Take one down, patch it around.
>>>> 127 little bugs in the code."
>>> lol. very true!
>>>
>>>> Fixing bugs in your code
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dW7dEiOOV1E

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#71334

On 30/09/2024 10:58 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
> Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 30-Sept-24 6:48 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> On 30-Sept-24 3:50 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>> Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>> On 28-Sept-24 5:48 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>> It's the manufacturers software.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/09/flaw-in-kia-web-portal-let- 
>>>>>> researchers-track-hack-cars/
>>>>>
>>>>> The same potential issue applies to any "internet of things" device 
>>>>> in your home. If they are on your internal LAN (by accessing your 
>>>>> WiFi, for example), then they're providing a tunnel from the 
>>>>> supplier's computer system through your firewall, and you have no 
>>>>> idea how well the supplier's end is protected.
>>>>
>>>> I won't have any internet 'listening' devices in any home I live in
>>>>
>>>
>>> No, but it's not just those. Anything that can be remotely updated 
>>> automatically (sometimes whether you want it to be, or not), or which 
>>> can be talked to via a smartphone, will usually work by phoning home, 
> 
> cameras for instance. I have all internal cameras set facing wall 
> surfaces, so even if they were hacked nothing would be seen. but I would 
> know if they were hacked because they would have turned to face into the 
> rooms. I turn them via smartphone control to monitor the rooms if away 
> for any length of time, like holidays. but if they were hacked I'm not 
> sure what info could be got from them.

Have you ever considered that you might be paranoid?

Anyway anybody hacking into your "Security" cameras (notoriously easy to 
hack) would likely be more interested in incorporating them into a 
botnet rather than observing whatever disgusting things that you get up 
to in your house.

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#71337

Keithr0 wrote:
> On 30/09/2024 10:58 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>> Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> On 30-Sept-24 6:48 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>> On 30-Sept-24 3:50 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>> Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>> On 28-Sept-24 5:48 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>> It's the manufacturers software.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/09/flaw-in-kia-web-portal-let- 
>>>>>>> researchers-track-hack-cars/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The same potential issue applies to any "internet of things" 
>>>>>> device in your home. If they are on your internal LAN (by 
>>>>>> accessing your WiFi, for example), then they're providing a 
>>>>>> tunnel from the supplier's computer system through your firewall, 
>>>>>> and you have no idea how well the supplier's end is protected.
>>>>>
>>>>> I won't have any internet 'listening' devices in any home I live in
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No, but it's not just those. Anything that can be remotely updated 
>>>> automatically (sometimes whether you want it to be, or not), or 
>>>> which can be talked to via a smartphone, will usually work by 
>>>> phoning home, 
>>
>> cameras for instance. I have all internal cameras set facing wall 
>> surfaces, so even if they were hacked nothing would be seen. but I 
>> would know if they were hacked because they would have turned to face 
>> into the rooms. I turn them via smartphone control to monitor the 
>> rooms if away for any length of time, like holidays. but if they were 
>> hacked I'm not sure what info could be got from them.
>
> Have you ever considered that you might be paranoid?
>
> Anyway anybody hacking into your "Security" cameras (notoriously easy 
> to hack) would likely be more interested in incorporating them into a 
> botnet rather than observing whatever disgusting things that you get 
> up to in your house.

perhaps your mum never told you.. "if you don't have anything worthwhile 
to say, don't say anything". or if she did, you didn't listen

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stay sane, be happy, and enjoy living.

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#71341

Keithr0 wrote:
> On 2/10/2024 11:14 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>> Keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 30/09/2024 10:58 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>> Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>> On 30-Sept-24 6:48 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>> On 30-Sept-24 3:50 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>> Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 28-Sept-24 5:48 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> It's the manufacturers software.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/09/flaw-in-kia-web-portal-let- 
>>>>>>>>> researchers-track-hack-cars/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The same potential issue applies to any "internet of things" 
>>>>>>>> device in your home. If they are on your internal LAN (by 
>>>>>>>> accessing your WiFi, for example), then they're providing a 
>>>>>>>> tunnel from the supplier's computer system through your 
>>>>>>>> firewall, and you have no idea how well the supplier's end is 
>>>>>>>> protected.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I won't have any internet 'listening' devices in any home I live in
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, but it's not just those. Anything that can be remotely 
>>>>>> updated automatically (sometimes whether you want it to be, or 
>>>>>> not), or which can be talked to via a smartphone, will usually 
>>>>>> work by phoning home, 
>>>>
>>>> cameras for instance. I have all internal cameras set facing wall 
>>>> surfaces, so even if they were hacked nothing would be seen. but I 
>>>> would know if they were hacked because they would have turned to 
>>>> face into the rooms. I turn them via smartphone control to monitor 
>>>> the rooms if away for any length of time, like holidays. but if 
>>>> they were hacked I'm not sure what info could be got from them.
>>>
>>> Have you ever considered that you might be paranoid?
>>>
>>> Anyway anybody hacking into your "Security" cameras (notoriously 
>>> easy to hack) would likely be more interested in incorporating them 
>>> into a botnet rather than observing whatever disgusting things that 
>>> you get up to in your house.
>>
>> perhaps your mum never told you.. "if you don't have anything 
>> worthwhile to say, don't say anything". or if she did, you didn't listen
>>
> Perhaps you should have thought of that before cross-posting a stupid 
> Elon Musk rant across the Usenet.

he's a hell of a lot smarter and successful than you, so perhaps you 
should address what's said instead of just complaining

> Now aus.cars and aus.computers are polluted with a stupid argument 
> between Rod Speed and Usenet's No.1 idiot.

aus.cars and aus.computers were already polluted. you're there!

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#71343

Mighty Mouse wrote:
> Keithr0 wrote:
>> On 2/10/2024 11:14 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>> Keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 30/09/2024 10:58 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>> Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>> On 30-Sept-24 6:48 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>>> On 30-Sept-24 3:50 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>> Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 28-Sept-24 5:48 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> It's the manufacturers software.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/09/flaw-in-kia-web-portal-let- 
>>>>>>>>>> researchers-track-hack-cars/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The same potential issue applies to any "internet of things" 
>>>>>>>>> device in your home. If they are on your internal LAN (by 
>>>>>>>>> accessing your WiFi, for example), then they're providing a 
>>>>>>>>> tunnel from the supplier's computer system through your 
>>>>>>>>> firewall, and you have no idea how well the supplier's end is 
>>>>>>>>> protected.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I won't have any internet 'listening' devices in any home I live in
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, but it's not just those. Anything that can be remotely 
>>>>>>> updated automatically (sometimes whether you want it to be, or 
>>>>>>> not), or which can be talked to via a smartphone, will usually 
>>>>>>> work by phoning home, 
>>>>>
>>>>> cameras for instance. I have all internal cameras set facing wall 
>>>>> surfaces, so even if they were hacked nothing would be seen. but I 
>>>>> would know if they were hacked because they would have turned to 
>>>>> face into the rooms. I turn them via smartphone control to monitor 
>>>>> the rooms if away for any length of time, like holidays. but if 
>>>>> they were hacked I'm not sure what info could be got from them.
>>>>
>>>> Have you ever considered that you might be paranoid?
>>>>
>>>> Anyway anybody hacking into your "Security" cameras (notoriously 
>>>> easy to hack) would likely be more interested in incorporating them 
>>>> into a botnet rather than observing whatever disgusting things that 
>>>> you get up to in your house.
>>>
>>> perhaps your mum never told you.. "if you don't have anything 
>>> worthwhile to say, don't say anything". or if she did, you didn't listen
>>>
>> Perhaps you should have thought of that before cross-posting a stupid 
>> Elon Musk rant across the Usenet.
> 
> he's a hell of a lot smarter and successful than you,...

Eh? Could you be a bit more specific?


alvey

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#71344

On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 06:55:37 +1000, alvey <Hans.Andnees@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Mighty Mouse wrote:
>> Keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 2/10/2024 11:14 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>> Keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 30/09/2024 10:58 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>> Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>>> On 30-Sept-24 6:48 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 30-Sept-24 3:50 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 28-Sept-24 5:48 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> It's the manufacturers software.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/09/flaw-in-kia-web-portal-let- 
>>>>>>>>>>> researchers-track-hack-cars/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The same potential issue applies to any "internet of things" 
>>>>>>>>>> device in your home. If they are on your internal LAN (by 
>>>>>>>>>> accessing your WiFi, for example), then they're providing a 
>>>>>>>>>> tunnel from the supplier's computer system through your 
>>>>>>>>>> firewall, and you have no idea how well the supplier's end is 
>>>>>>>>>> protected.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I won't have any internet 'listening' devices in any home I live in
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, but it's not just those. Anything that can be remotely 
>>>>>>>> updated automatically (sometimes whether you want it to be, or 
>>>>>>>> not), or which can be talked to via a smartphone, will usually 
>>>>>>>> work by phoning home, 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> cameras for instance. I have all internal cameras set facing wall 
>>>>>> surfaces, so even if they were hacked nothing would be seen. but I 
>>>>>> would know if they were hacked because they would have turned to 
>>>>>> face into the rooms. I turn them via smartphone control to monitor 
>>>>>> the rooms if away for any length of time, like holidays. but if 
>>>>>> they were hacked I'm not sure what info could be got from them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you ever considered that you might be paranoid?
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway anybody hacking into your "Security" cameras (notoriously 
>>>>> easy to hack) would likely be more interested in incorporating them 
>>>>> into a botnet rather than observing whatever disgusting things that 
>>>>> you get up to in your house.
>>>>
>>>> perhaps your mum never told you.. "if you don't have anything 
>>>> worthwhile to say, don't say anything". or if she did, you didn't listen
>>>>
>>> Perhaps you should have thought of that before cross-posting a stupid 
>>> Elon Musk rant across the Usenet.
>> 
>> he's a hell of a lot smarter and successful than you,...
>
>Eh? Could you be a bit more specific?
>
>
>alvey
>
You don't get much do you?
Elon Musk achievements here is just a small one of a graet many
https://youtu.be/Aq7rDQx9jns?si=79Q3otVV7R2ga6UY]
SpaceX Nails Landing of Reusable Rocket on Land 
__ 
Petzl 
Anthony Albanese at age of 18 got a job for nine months in
commonwealth bank
<https://www.linkedin.com/posts/vern-hughes-92341119_it-is-not-true-that-anthony-albanese-has-activity-7068765502021517312-jwAC>
   https://t.ly/5jJjE 
It is not true that Anthony Albanese has never held a real job. He
worked in the Commonwealth Bank for 9 months when he was 18. 

Albo's replacement at Commonwealth Bank
https://youtu.be/hWemeervqhA?si=-M7SWX55dyWD_ked
just push"F5" to remove advert

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#71346

Petzl wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 06:55:37 +1000, alvey <Hans.Andnees@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>> Keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 2/10/2024 11:14 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>> Keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>> On 30/09/2024 10:58 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>> Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 30-Sept-24 6:48 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 30-Sept-24 3:50 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 28-Sept-24 5:48 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's the manufacturers software.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/09/flaw-in-kia-web-portal-let-
>>>>>>>>>>>> researchers-track-hack-cars/
>>>>>>>>>>> The same potential issue applies to any "internet of things"
>>>>>>>>>>> device in your home. If they are on your internal LAN (by
>>>>>>>>>>> accessing your WiFi, for example), then they're providing a
>>>>>>>>>>> tunnel from the supplier's computer system through your
>>>>>>>>>>> firewall, and you have no idea how well the supplier's end is
>>>>>>>>>>> protected.
>>>>>>>>>> I won't have any internet 'listening' devices in any home I live in
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No, but it's not just those. Anything that can be remotely
>>>>>>>>> updated automatically (sometimes whether you want it to be, or
>>>>>>>>> not), or which can be talked to via a smartphone, will usually
>>>>>>>>> work by phoning home,
>>>>>>> cameras for instance. I have all internal cameras set facing wall
>>>>>>> surfaces, so even if they were hacked nothing would be seen. but I
>>>>>>> would know if they were hacked because they would have turned to
>>>>>>> face into the rooms. I turn them via smartphone control to monitor
>>>>>>> the rooms if away for any length of time, like holidays. but if
>>>>>>> they were hacked I'm not sure what info could be got from them.
>>>>>> Have you ever considered that you might be paranoid?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway anybody hacking into your "Security" cameras (notoriously
>>>>>> easy to hack) would likely be more interested in incorporating them
>>>>>> into a botnet rather than observing whatever disgusting things that
>>>>>> you get up to in your house.
>>>>> perhaps your mum never told you.. "if you don't have anything
>>>>> worthwhile to say, don't say anything". or if she did, you didn't listen
>>>>>
>>>> Perhaps you should have thought of that before cross-posting a stupid
>>>> Elon Musk rant across the Usenet.
>>> he's a hell of a lot smarter and successful than you,...
>> Eh? Could you be a bit more specific?
>>
>>
>> alvey
>>
> You don't get much do you?
> Elon Musk achievements here is just a small one of a graet many
> https://youtu.be/Aq7rDQx9jns?si=79Q3otVV7R2ga6UY]
> SpaceX Nails Landing of Reusable Rocket on Land

the richest man in the world, and likely to be the world's first 
trillionaire

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/09/17/business/elon-musk-richest-person-trillionaire/index.html

> __
> Petzl
> Anthony Albanese at age of 18 got a job for nine months in
> commonwealth bank
> <https://www.linkedin.com/posts/vern-hughes-92341119_it-is-not-true-that-anthony-albanese-has-activity-7068765502021517312-jwAC>
>     https://t.ly/5jJjE
> It is not true that Anthony Albanese has never held a real job. He
> worked in the Commonwealth Bank for 9 months when he was 18.
>
> Albo's replacement at Commonwealth Bank
> https://youtu.be/hWemeervqhA?si=-M7SWX55dyWD_ked
> just push"F5" to remove advert


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