Re: The real cost of net zero

From	Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com>
Newsgroups	aus.cars, aus.computers, aus.legal
Subject	Re: The real cost of net zero
Date	2024-12-24 19:52 +1100
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Xeno wrote:
> On 24/12/2024 3:51 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>> Xeno wrote:
>>> On 23/12/2024 1:57 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>> alvey wrote:
>>>>> Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>> alvey wrote:
>>>>>>> Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 21/12/2024 11:50 am, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Get the facts. radio interview I recorded with Chris Uhlmann, 
>>>>>>>>>> award winning journalist and Sky News Political Contributor
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://auslink.info/audio/netzero.mp4 (20Kb)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> or watch the documentary ..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbxpieEQ7bc
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> **Sky News? Are you fucking serious, you fucking moron?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> in ancient times it was customary to kill a messenger who 
>>>>>>>> brought a King news he didn't want to hear. I see you're 
>>>>>>>> following that example. deal with the facts. it's not about not 
>>>>>>>> reducing carbon emissions, but how it's done, and setting 
>>>>>>>> realistic targets.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You're doing it again here felix. Don't bleat about 'shooting 
>>>>>>> the messenger' when you're adjudging the message to be "fact".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> so tell me what was said that was not 'fact'? but of course you 
>>>>>> won't since you didn't listen/watch.
>>>>>
>>>>> I actually did watch a fair bit of it felix (an hour+ is a big 
>>>>> ask), but couldn't see the point of continuing to listen to a 
>>>>> succession of self-interested Old Power talking heads. Especially 
>>>>> when they were all reading from the same script, "Coal power works 
>>>>> when the wind doesn't blow and the sun doesn't shine" they 
>>>>> chanted. Whoopee. Batteries specifics anyone? Nope. Up to the 
>>>>> 25min mark, the best that the OPs could do to diss the battery 
>>>>> storage of NP was chorus that the cost of battery storage was 
>>>>> "huge". Adjectives don't cut it as a decisive argument. Neither 
>>>>> does interviewing one Canberra pensioner complaining about the 
>>>>> cost of her electricity bill a decent sample size make. They were, 
>>>>> like Trump, big on fear and opinion, but relatively light on 
>>>>> (haha) facts and stats.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, I didn't see a single pro-New Power advocate.
>>>>
>>>> I didn't watch the doco. I just put that there for reference.
>>>
>>> If you cite a doco *for reference*, it behooves you to at least know 
>>> and understand the content of said doco.
>>
>> I cited it because it was the subject of the interview. I didn't make 
>> reference to it
>
> I cite only documents which I have read/watched and find are in 
> concurrence with my line of reasoning.
>
> Next you'll be citing War & Peace when discussing the war in Ukraine.
>
> BTW, if you want to understand the war in Ukraine, I recommend this book.
>
> https://www.amazon.com.au/Accidental-Superpower-Generation-American-Preeminence/dp/1455583685/ 
>
>
> It's a hard read, a veritable slog, geopolitics is like that, but it 
> provides the only reasonable explanation for the Ukraine Conflict and 
> more. In fact the author predicted in 2014 that Russia would invade 
> Ukraine by 2022 at the very latest. History proved him correct and he 
> has produced a followup book as a recap of past events discussed in 
> the first book.

I'm not one to read much. what is 'the only reasonable explanation for 
the Ukraine Conflict'?

>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> but if you had taken the trouble to know what you're talking 
>>>>>> about, you would know that it's not about denying climate change.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, it is. That plus "huge" dollop of self-interest on top.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fact is felix that burning fossil fuels has been a major 
>>>>> contributor to creating an over-heating and struggling planet. It 
>>>>> seems a no- brainer to
>>>>> ditch it and use sources that are both infinite and free, *even* 
>>>>> if it does cost more.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> we know that. but the fact is we could have kept our coal power 
>>>> plants until we had viable power sources and there would have been 
>>>> NO effect on global warming considering the minuscule effect our 
>>>> total emissions do have.
>>>
>>> Nope, the coal fired plants are well past their use by dates.
>>
>> well China is happy to build two every week, and burn our brown coal 
>> in them
>>
>>> Keeping them going will cost more than building, say, gas peaking 
>>> plants.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> alvey
>>>>> Again suggesting that you read something that's not Murdoch. It's 
>>>>> not illegal you know. Yet.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> truth is truth and facts are facts irrespective of the source.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>


-- 
Have a nice day!..
stay sane, be happy, and enjoy living.

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The real cost of net zero Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-12-21 11:50 +1100
  Re: The real cost of net zero Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2024-12-21 14:15 +1100
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      Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-21 18:48 +1100
      Re: The real cost of net zero Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2024-12-21 19:33 +1100
        Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-21 20:46 +1100
          Re: The real cost of net zero Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2024-12-22 08:09 +1100
            Re: The real cost of net zero Noddy <me@home.com> - 2024-12-22 09:41 +1100
              Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-22 00:08 +0000
              Re: The real cost of net zero Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2024-12-22 11:39 +1100
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                Re: The real cost of net zero Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2024-12-22 13:51 +1100
                Re: The real cost of net zero Noddy <me@home.com> - 2024-12-22 16:13 +1100
                Re: The real cost of net zero Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2024-12-22 16:22 +1100
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                Re: The real cost of net zero alvey <Factman@gmail.com> - 2024-12-26 17:40 +1000
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            Re: The real cost of net zero alvey <Factman@gmail.com> - 2024-12-23 18:32 +1000
              Re: The real cost of net zero Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-12-23 21:34 +1100
            Re: The real cost of net zero Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-12-24 15:34 +1100
              Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-24 18:26 +1100
          Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-23 15:20 +1100
            Re: The real cost of net zero Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2024-12-23 15:35 +1100
            Re: The real cost of net zero Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-12-24 15:41 +1100
              Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-24 18:28 +1100
              Re: The real cost of net zero Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2024-12-24 20:02 +1100
                Re: The real cost of net zero Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-12-24 20:17 +1100

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