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I Have Found My Editor

Started by"F. Russell" <fr@random.info>
First post2019-06-22 01:47 +0000
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  I Have Found My Editor "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2019-06-22 01:47 +0000
    Re: I Have Found My Editor Pedro Valdez <pedro1492@lycos.com> - 2019-06-22 04:31 -0700
      Re: I Have Found My Editor "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-06-22 14:04 +0200
      Re: I Have Found My Editor owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-06-22 12:43 +0000
        Re: I Have Found My Editor owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-06-22 12:50 +0000
      Re: I Have Found My Editor John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2019-06-22 07:21 -0500
        Re: I Have Found My Editor Yrrah <Yrrah-aol@aol.invalid> - 2019-06-22 15:29 +0200
          Re: I Have Found My Editor John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2019-06-22 10:16 -0500
      Re: I Have Found My Editor "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2019-06-22 13:45 +0000
        Re: I Have Found My Editor owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-06-22 14:00 +0000
          Re: I Have Found My Editor "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2019-06-22 15:54 +0000
            Re: I Have Found My Editor owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-06-22 16:08 +0000
              Re: I Have Found My Editor John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2019-06-22 11:37 -0500
                Re: I Have Found My Editor "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-06-22 23:21 +0200
                Re: I Have Found My Editor DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org - 2019-06-23 14:44 +0000
                  Re: I Have Found My Editor owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-06-23 19:44 +0000
            Re: I Have Found My Editor Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2019-06-23 17:47 +0200
          Re: I Have Found My Editor "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2019-06-22 16:07 +0000
            Re: I Have Found My Editor owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-06-22 16:33 +0000
              Re: I Have Found My Editor owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-06-22 16:46 +0000
                Re: I Have Found My Editor "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2019-06-22 18:18 +0000
                  Re: I Have Found My Editor owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-06-22 20:13 +0000
                    Re: I Have Found My Editor "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2019-06-23 11:03 +0000
                      Re: I Have Found My Editor Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-06-23 11:15 +0000
                        Re: I Have Found My Editor John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2019-06-23 10:05 -0500
                          Re: I Have Found My Editor DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org - 2019-06-23 15:33 +0000
                            Re: I Have Found My Editor DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org - 2019-06-23 15:34 +0000
                          Re: I Have Found My Editor owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-06-23 15:53 +0000
                            Re: I Have Found My Editor Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-06-24 00:58 +0000
                              Re: I Have Found My Editor "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-06-23 21:33 -0400
                                Re: I Have Found My Editor William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-06-24 07:35 +0000
                                  Re: I Have Found My Editor "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-06-24 11:45 +0200
                                  Re: I Have Found My Editor "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-06-24 07:45 -0400
                                  Re: I Have Found My Editor "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-06-24 08:34 -0400
                                  Re: I Have Found My Editor Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2019-06-24 14:37 +0200
                                    Re: I Have Found My Editor "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-06-24 15:09 +0200
                                    Re: I Have Found My Editor "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-06-24 09:46 -0400
                                      Re: I Have Found My Editor "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-06-24 12:26 -0400
                                        Re: I Have Found My Editor vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2019-06-24 18:03 +0000
                                        Re: I Have Found My Editor "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-06-24 23:00 +0200
                                          Re: I Have Found My Editor "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-06-24 17:25 -0400
                                            Re: I Have Found My Editor owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-06-25 16:42 +0000
                                        Re: I Have Found My Editor Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2019-06-25 01:07 +0200
                                          Re: I Have Found My Editor "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-06-25 04:15 -0400
                                            Re: I Have Found My Editor Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2019-06-25 13:23 +0200
                              Re: I Have Found My Editor RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2019-06-24 04:28 +0000
                      Re: I Have Found My Editor owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2019-06-23 14:03 +0000
                        Re: I Have Found My Editor Georges <georges@prout.com> - 2019-06-23 16:43 +0200
                      Re: I Have Found My Editor Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2019-06-23 17:54 +0200
                      Re: I Have Found My Editor Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2019-06-24 09:18 +0000
                        Re: I Have Found My Editor "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2019-06-24 10:30 +0000
                          Re: I Have Found My Editor "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-06-24 13:53 +0200
                            Re: I Have Found My Editor "F. Russell" <frussell@random.info> - 2019-06-24 12:49 +0000
                              Re: I Have Found My Editor "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-06-24 15:14 +0200
                              Re: I Have Found My Editor "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-06-24 09:52 -0400
                                Re: I Have Found My Editor "F. Russell" <frussell@random.info> - 2019-06-24 14:12 +0000
                                  Re: I Have Found My Editor "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-06-24 10:43 -0400
                  Re: I Have Found My Editor "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-06-22 23:27 +0200
        Re: I Have Found My Editor "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-06-22 16:30 +0200
          Re: I Have Found My Editor DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org - 2019-06-22 14:59 +0000
        Re: I Have Found My Editor DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org - 2019-06-22 14:54 +0000
      Re: I Have Found My Editor Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-06-22 20:51 +0000
    Re: I Have Found My Editor "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-06-22 14:17 +0200
      Re: I Have Found My Editor Yrrah <Yrrah-aol@aol.invalid> - 2019-06-22 14:50 +0200
        Re: I Have Found My Editor "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-06-22 15:55 +0200
          Re: I Have Found My Editor Yrrah <Yrrah-aol@aol.invalid> - 2019-06-22 17:43 +0200
    Re: I Have Found My Editor Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-06-22 20:54 +0000
      Re: I Have Found My Editor RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2019-06-23 03:17 +0000
        Re: I Have Found My Editor Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-06-23 07:24 +0000
          Re: I Have Found My Editor RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2019-06-23 16:46 +0000
            Re: I Have Found My Editor Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-06-24 00:56 +0000
              Re: I Have Found My Editor RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2019-06-24 04:26 +0000
    Re: I Have Found My Editor Maurice <maurice@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-06-23 10:56 +0000
    Re: I Have Found My Editor azigni <azigni@yahoo.com> - 2019-06-25 21:33 +0000
      Re: I Have Found My Editor "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2019-06-26 01:32 +0000
        Re: I Have Found My Editor Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be> - 2019-06-26 12:53 +0200
          Re: I Have Found My Editor "F. Russell" <frussell@random.info> - 2019-06-26 11:48 +0000
            Re: I Have Found My Editor Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2019-06-26 07:39 -0500
              Re: I Have Found My Editor fr314159@gmail.com - 2019-06-26 05:51 -0700
            Re: I Have Found My Editor Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be> - 2019-06-26 18:13 +0200
          Re: I Have Found My Editor Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2019-06-26 13:54 +0200
            Re: I Have Found My Editor Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-06-26 12:16 +0000
              Re: I Have Found My Editor Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2019-06-26 15:42 +0200
            Re: I Have Found My Editor Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be> - 2019-06-26 18:18 +0200
              Re: I Have Found My Editor Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2019-06-26 21:07 +0200
          Re: I Have Found My Editor "F. Russell" <frussell@random.info> - 2019-06-26 12:26 +0000

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#57129

FromDecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org
Date2019-06-22 14:54 +0000
Message-ID<qelfel$uc2$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#57125
"F. Russell" <fr@random.info> wrote in
news:qelbct01ehe@news2.newsguy.com: 

> On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 04:31:34 -0700, Pedro Valdez wrote:
> 
>> I would like to see an editor that does find&replace only in
>> certain columns. I don't know any FOSS editor that does so.
>>
> 
> The concept of a "column" does not apply to a text file.
> 
> Therefore, find & replace tools for "columns" would very
> understandably not be available.
> 
> 

  Originally, everything was configured to fill into a fixed array 
of character positions (CRT screen).

  Once word processing and graphical fonts and 'kerning' was 
introduced, the 'array' became tool that worked within an array of 
pixels, instead of an array of a fixed number of characters.

  However, folks using text for program scripts and other purposes 
may want to have such a mark and cut or mark and edit and replace 
'feature'.

  But most "text editors" *ARE* working with a fixed set of 
character positions, whether user configurable or not, so it would 
make sense to me that an 'advanced' editor would include a method to 
mark and manipulate parts of a text file in a columnar manner.
To include a compliant 'clipboard' where the pastebox is defined by 
the 'clipped' set.

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#57145

FromMelzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com>
Date2019-06-22 20:51 +0000
Message-ID<mxwPE.68641$NT5.63862@fx23.am4>
In reply to#57111
On 2019-06-22, Pedro Valdez <pedro1492@lycos.com> wrote:
> Yes, I've been using geany for quite a while.
> I would like to see an editor that does find&replace only in certain columns.
> I don't know any FOSS editor that does so.

Such as?


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Na divljem zapadu i nije bilo tako puno nasilja, upravo zato jer su svi 
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#57116

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2019-06-22 14:17 +0200
Message-ID<cri1uf-2e9.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#57099
On 22/06/2019 03.47, F. Russell wrote:
> Being a long time user of the Cooledit text editor I long
> realized that, in spite of its minor shortcomings, there
> was nothing better.
> 
> But now I've found something that actually surpasses Cooledit:
> Geany.

Ah.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geany>

Geany (IPA:ʒeːniː[citation needed]) is a lightweight GUI text editor[3]
using Scintilla and GTK+, including basic IDE features. It is designed
to have short load times, with limited dependency on separate packages
or external libraries on Linux. It has been ported to a wide range of
operating systems, such as BSD, Linux, macOS,[4] Solaris and Windows.
The Windows port lacks an embedded terminal window; also missing from
the Windows version are the external development tools present under
Unix, unless installed separately by the user.[5] Among the supported
programming languages and markup languages are C, C++, C#, Java,
JavaScript, PHP, HTML, LaTeX, CSS, Python, Perl, Ruby, Pascal, Haskell,
Erlang, Vala and many others.[6]

In contrast to traditional Unix-based editors like Emacs or Vim, Geany
more closely resembles programming editors common on Microsoft Windows
such as Notepad++, which also uses Scintilla.[7]

Features

    Auto-completion
    Multiple document support
    Simple project management
    Syntax highlighting
    Code folding (partially)
    Symbol lists
    Code navigation
    Embedded terminal emulator[9]
    Build system to compile and execute code using external tools
    Extensible via plugins
    Column / block / vertical select (via SHIFT + CTRL + arrow keys)
    User configurable keyboard action to editor function mapping[10]


The last line there had me searching, hopping that it could emulate the
keyboard of other editors, but I did not find such a feature.

It seems to support columns.


> Geany is now my text editor of choice, although I still would
> like to see Cooledit brought up to "modern" standards.
> 
> Other text editors are either dinosaurs that refuse to die,
> like vim, emacs, joe, etc., or that are entangled in the bloated
> nonsense of a DE, like gedit.
> 
> However, Geany and Cooledit achieve that perfect balance of modernism
> and minimalism while yet expressing comprehensive power.


Then you could check "Kate" too.

Features (<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kate_(text_editor)>)

Kate is a programmer's text editor that features syntax highlighting for
over 200 file formats with code folding rules.[9] The syntax
highlighting is extensible via XML files.[10] It supports UTF-8, UTF-16,
ISO-8859-1 and ASCII encoding schemes and can detect a file's character
encoding automatically.

Kate can be used as a modal text editor through its vi input mode[11]
which emulates a Unix text editor with the same name.

Kate features multiple document interface, window splitting, project
editing[12][further explanation needed] and sessions to facilitate
editing multiple documents. Using sessions, one can customize Kate for
different projects by saving the list of open files, the list of enabled
plug-ins and the window configuration.[13]

For searching and replacing text, Kate features incremental search,
multi-line search and replace and regular expression support. It can
perform search and replace on multiple files.

KDE integration

Being a KDE application, Kate transparently opens and saves files over
all protocols supported by KIO libraries. This includes HTTP, FTP, SSH,
SMB and WebDAV, among others.

Kate is built using the KParts framework; it is a graphical shell around
the editor component, referred to as katepart.[14] This KParts component
is embedded by other KDE programs as well. Kate uses Konsole to get an
embedded terminal.





You can look here for other editors:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_text_editors>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_text_editors>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_integrated_development_environments>

CoolEdit is not listed. though.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#57119

FromYrrah <Yrrah-aol@aol.invalid>
Date2019-06-22 14:50 +0200
Message-ID<ql8sgepbf4uql9aqbkfdl6l4nj53ubf1se@net.com>
In reply to#57116
"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>:

> > But now I've found something that actually surpasses Cooledit:
> > Geany.

> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geany>
> 
> Geany (...) is a lightweight GUI text editor
> ....

Geany is quite good imho. It has been my text editor of choice for
more than five years. 

> In contrast to traditional Unix-based editors like Emacs or Vim, Geany
> more closely resembles programming editors common on Microsoft Windows
> such as Notepad++, which also uses Scintilla.

I'd like to see a Linux port of Notepad++ (if that can be done).
Notepadqq is meant to be a kind of Notepad++ for Linux, but it's not
quite there yet.
"7 Best Notepad++ Alternatives For Linux"
https://itsfoss.com/notepad-alternatives-for-linux/


Yrrah

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#57126

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2019-06-22 15:55 +0200
Message-ID<sio1uf-boe.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#57119
On 22/06/2019 14.50, Yrrah wrote:
> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>:
> 
>>> But now I've found something that actually surpasses Cooledit:
>>> Geany.
> 
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geany>
>>
>> Geany (...) is a lightweight GUI text editor
>> ....
> 
> Geany is quite good imho. It has been my text editor of choice for
> more than five years. 

I'll try it next time I do some scripting. Otherwise, my programming is
in pascal, and for that I use Lazarus IDE.


>> In contrast to traditional Unix-based editors like Emacs or Vim, Geany
>> more closely resembles programming editors common on Microsoft Windows
>> such as Notepad++, which also uses Scintilla.
> 
> I'd like to see a Linux port of Notepad++ (if that can be done).
> Notepadqq is meant to be a kind of Notepad++ for Linux, but it's not
> quite there yet.
> "7 Best Notepad++ Alternatives For Linux"
> https://itsfoss.com/notepad-alternatives-for-linux/

I'm not familiar with Notepad++
Does it work under Wine? The article says it does.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#57131

FromYrrah <Yrrah-aol@aol.invalid>
Date2019-06-22 17:43 +0200
Message-ID<qrisge9lg74mg219nj67p82dospvmf7p9c@net.com>
In reply to#57126
"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>:
	
> > "7 Best Notepad++ Alternatives For Linux"
> > https://itsfoss.com/notepad-alternatives-for-linux/

> I'm not familiar with Notepad++
> Does it work under Wine? The article says it does.

I haven't tried it recently, so I'll have to believe the article
and/or:
<https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=2983>

Alternatively: 
"Notepad++ snap package uses an embedded Wine"
https://itsfoss.com/notepad-plus-plus-linux/
Not my choice...


Yrrah

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#57146

FromMelzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com>
Date2019-06-22 20:54 +0000
Message-ID<LzwPE.68642$NT5.25207@fx23.am4>
In reply to#57099
On 2019-06-22, F. Russell <fr@random.info> wrote:
> Being a long time user of the Cooledit text editor I long
> realized that, in spite of its minor shortcomings, there
> was nothing better.
>
> But now I've found something that actually surpasses Cooledit:
> Geany.

Perhaps notepad is better choice for you?
>
> Geany is now my text editor of choice, although I still would
> like to see Cooledit brought up to "modern" standards.
>
> Other text editors are either dinosaurs that refuse to die,
> like vim, emacs, joe, etc., or that are entangled in the bloated
> nonsense of a DE, like gedit.

You are dumb Windows user, better use notepad.

>
> However, Geany and Cooledit achieve that perfect balance of modernism
> and minimalism while yet expressing comprehensive power.

Best balance for you is notepad as wordpad is too complex, I think. You
wouldn't grasp it.
>


-- 
press any key to continue or any other to quit...
U ničemu ja ne uživam kao u svom statusu INVALIDA -- Zli Zec
Na divljem zapadu i nije bilo tako puno nasilja, upravo zato jer su svi 
bili naoruzani. -- Mladen Gogala

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#57156

FromRonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com>
Date2019-06-23 03:17 +0000
Message-ID<qemr03$mff$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#57146
On 2019-06-22, Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> wrote:
> On 2019-06-22, F. Russell <fr@random.info> wrote:
>>
>> Other text editors are either dinosaurs that refuse to die,
>> like vim, emacs, joe, etc., or that are entangled in the bloated
>> nonsense of a DE, like gedit.
>
> You are dumb Windows user, better use notepad.

I like my "dinosaur" Jstar (JOE editor) just fine. That's the cool thing 
about choice, you can use whatever you want.

-- 
The more I see of Windows, the more I like Linux.

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#57160

FromMelzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com>
Date2019-06-23 07:24 +0000
Message-ID<EOFPE.288030$hWc.185003@fx15.am4>
In reply to#57156
On 2019-06-23, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2019-06-22, Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> wrote:
>> On 2019-06-22, F. Russell <fr@random.info> wrote:
>>>
>>> Other text editors are either dinosaurs that refuse to die,
>>> like vim, emacs, joe, etc., or that are entangled in the bloated
>>> nonsense of a DE, like gedit.
>>
>> You are dumb Windows user, better use notepad.
>
> I like my "dinosaur" Jstar (JOE editor) just fine. That's the cool thing 
> about choice, you can use whatever you want.

I used joe for 15 years exclusivelly.
>


-- 
press any key to continue or any other to quit...
U ničemu ja ne uživam kao u svom statusu INVALIDA -- Zli Zec
Na divljem zapadu i nije bilo tako puno nasilja, upravo zato jer su svi 
bili naoruzani. -- Mladen Gogala

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#57186

FromRonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com>
Date2019-06-23 16:46 +0000
Message-ID<qeoadv$oej$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#57160
On 2019-06-23, Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> wrote:
> On 2019-06-23, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2019-06-22, Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> wrote:
>>> On 2019-06-22, F. Russell <fr@random.info> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Other text editors are either dinosaurs that refuse to die,
>>>> like vim, emacs, joe, etc., or that are entangled in the bloated
>>>> nonsense of a DE, like gedit.
>>>
>>> You are dumb Windows user, better use notepad.
>>
>> I like my "dinosaur" Jstar (JOE editor) just fine. That's the cool thing 
>> about choice, you can use whatever you want.
>
> I used joe for 15 years exclusivelly.

Past tense? What? :) I don't see me ever changing. I'm trying to teach 
myself Python (probably a hopeless cause) and I use Jstar for that. It 
doesn't have (quick fill) drop downs, but it knows it's working in Python, 
and automatically changes color and knows how to indent. I just open Guake by 
hitting F12, then type "jpy" (a shell script that moves to my python 
directory and asks for a file name and automatically adds the ".py" 
extension). If the file exists, it opens it — if it doesn't it opens a new 
file.

I've downloaded a couple text editors (including Geany) and honestly I just 
don't like them as much as Jstar. More powerful, but less elegant and no 
WordStar keystrokes. 

-- 
The more I see of Windows, the more I like Linux.

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#57195

FromMelzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com>
Date2019-06-24 00:56 +0000
Message-ID<5dVPE.143030$w82.138782@fx33.am4>
In reply to#57186
On 2019-06-23, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2019-06-23, Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> wrote:
>> On 2019-06-23, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 2019-06-22, Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2019-06-22, F. Russell <fr@random.info> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Other text editors are either dinosaurs that refuse to die,
>>>>> like vim, emacs, joe, etc., or that are entangled in the bloated
>>>>> nonsense of a DE, like gedit.
>>>>
>>>> You are dumb Windows user, better use notepad.
>>>
>>> I like my "dinosaur" Jstar (JOE editor) just fine. That's the cool thing 
>>> about choice, you can use whatever you want.
>>
>> I used joe for 15 years exclusivelly.
>
> Past tense? What? :) I don't see me ever changing. I'm trying to teach 
> myself Python (probably a hopeless cause) and I use Jstar for that. It 
> doesn't have (quick fill) drop downs, but it knows it's working in Python, 
> and automatically changes color and knows how to indent. I just open Guake by 
> hitting F12, then type "jpy" (a shell script that moves to my python 
> directory and asks for a file name and automatically adds the ".py" 
> extension). If the file exists, it opens it — if it doesn't it opens a new 
> file.
>
> I've downloaded a couple text editors (including Geany) and honestly I just 
> don't like them as much as Jstar. More powerful, but less elegant and no 
> WordStar keystrokes. 
>
I use now vim, but wait recently tried VSCode from Microsoft and I
really like it as there are many extensions that makes it really
powerfull. Heh, using M$ editor on Linux :P

-- 
press any key to continue or any other to quit...
U ničemu ja ne uživam kao u svom statusu INVALIDA -- Zli Zec
Na divljem zapadu i nije bilo tako puno nasilja, upravo zato jer su svi 
bili naoruzani. -- Mladen Gogala

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#57205

FromRonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com>
Date2019-06-24 04:26 +0000
Message-ID<qepjeh$1sj$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#57195
On 2019-06-24, Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> wrote:
> On 2019-06-23, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2019-06-23, Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> wrote:
>>> On 2019-06-23, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2019-06-22, Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 2019-06-22, F. Russell <fr@random.info> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Other text editors are either dinosaurs that refuse to die,
>>>>>> like vim, emacs, joe, etc., or that are entangled in the bloated
>>>>>> nonsense of a DE, like gedit.
>>>>>
>>>>> You are dumb Windows user, better use notepad.
>>>>
>>>> I like my "dinosaur" Jstar (JOE editor) just fine. That's the cool thing 
>>>> about choice, you can use whatever you want.
>>>
>>> I used joe for 15 years exclusivelly.
>>
>> Past tense? What? :) I don't see me ever changing. I'm trying to teach 
>> myself Python (probably a hopeless cause) and I use Jstar for that. It 
>> doesn't have (quick fill) drop downs, but it knows it's working in Python, 
>> and automatically changes color and knows how to indent. I just open Guake by 
>> hitting F12, then type "jpy" (a shell script that moves to my python 
>> directory and asks for a file name and automatically adds the ".py" 
>> extension). If the file exists, it opens it — if it doesn't it opens a new 
>> file.
>>
>> I've downloaded a couple text editors (including Geany) and honestly I just 
>> don't like them as much as Jstar. More powerful, but less elegant and no 
>> WordStar keystrokes. 
>>
> I use now vim, but wait recently tried VSCode from Microsoft and I
> really like it as there are many extensions that makes it really
> powerfull. Heh, using M$ editor on Linux :P

Why not? Whatever works best for you is what you should use. I don't see me 
ever using vim on a regular basis. And, of course, I don't know anything 
about VSCode. (But I'll look it up.)

-- 
The more I see of Windows, the more I like Linux.

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#57163

FromMaurice <maurice@nomail.afraid.org>
Date2019-06-23 10:56 +0000
Message-ID<qenltb$8kv$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#57099
On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 01:47:04 +0000, F. Russell wrote:

> Geany is now my text editor of choice


+1  (Found it on a Linux SystemRescueDisk .iso)

Regards,

-- 
/\/\aurice
(Replace "nomail.afraid" by "bcs" to reply by email)

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#57256

Fromazigni <azigni@yahoo.com>
Date2019-06-25 21:33 +0000
Message-ID<YqwQE.5332$yA4.4860@fx07.iad>
In reply to#57099
It sure is a good thing we use Linux and have choices! Thank for your 
comments about Geany, I will give it a look.

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#57263

From"F. Russell" <fr@random.info>
Date2019-06-26 01:32 +0000
Message-ID<qeui0802i8d@news2.newsguy.com>
In reply to#57256
On Tue, 25 Jun 2019 21:33:44 +0000, azigni wrote:

> It sure is a good thing we use Linux and have choices! 
>

To get a better feel for the junk that Micro$oft has become,
check out this excellent web site on "debotnetting" Win10:

https://fdossena.com/basic.php?p=w10debotnet/index_1903.frag


However, this web site may also provide a look at the future
of Linux with systemd.  Just replace the reptilian figure
of Satya Nadella with the snake-like Lennart Poettering.

The Micro$oft OS is a tiny kernel with thousands of add-on
"services."  Systemd is taking Linux in the same developmental
direction.

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#57269

FromAragorn <thorongil@telenet.be>
Date2019-06-26 12:53 +0200
Message-ID<20190626125353.0a31b2ba@nx-74205>
In reply to#57263
On 26.06.2019 at 01:32, F. Russell scribbled:

> On Tue, 25 Jun 2019 21:33:44 +0000, azigni wrote:
> 
> > It sure is a good thing we use Linux and have choices!   
> 
> To get a better feel for the junk that Micro$oft has become,
> check out this excellent web site on "debotnetting" Win10:
> 
> https://fdossena.com/basic.php?p=w10debotnet/index_1903.frag
> 
> However, this web site may also provide a look at the future
> of Linux with systemd.  Just replace the reptilian figure
> of Satya Nadella with the snake-like Lennart Poettering.
> 
> The Micro$oft OS is a tiny kernel with thousands of add-on
> "services."  Systemd is taking Linux in the same developmental
> direction.

Dude, your relentless crusade against systemd is becoming utterly
boring, to the point where I for one find it extremely difficult to
take anything you write seriously anymore.

I used to be anti-systemd too, because I just couldn't understand WHY
it was being adopted at such a fast rate, while it wasn't even
production-ready yet.  And neither Lennart's smugness on account of
other distributions than RedHat nor the political motivations behind
systemd's adoption BY other distributions were helping in that regard.

But then I decided to look at things from a technical perspective, and
apart from the binary logs — which I still don't think is a good idea —
systemd does make sense.  And now I'm using it, and it does exactly what
it says on the label.  It works, and it works very well.

Yes, it's a different way of doing things.  Yes, it does appear as if
it's not the traditional UNIX way, but that's just an illusion, because
systemd is the name of more than just the init daemon.  

If you look at how it works, then it IS comprised of small modules that
do one thing only, and the "PID = 1" daemon itself is relatively
small.  If you don't want the binary logs for instance, then it's
trivial to disable journald and start another logger like rsyslogd.

You are not against systemd because of what it is, but because you are
having a knee-jerk reaction over what systemd is NOT.

If I were you, I'd be worrying whole heck of a lot more about the
corporate-fascist surveillance features in Google Chrome and the way
the corporate world at large is regarding each and every one of us as a
tradable commodity.  

There is something very disturbing and brainwashing about the language
and innuendos used in the settings of Chrome and Chromium.

   "My gosh, do you really want to send a "do not track" signal to web
   sites???  If you do that, then they won't be able to send you ads
   about things that you might wat to purchase even though you don't
   need them! Are you sure that you really want that???  Really???
   Okay then, enter your password, type Ctrl+Alt+S, followed by
   SysRq+Z, click three times on the red button, followed by a
   double-click on the green button, then go outside, take off your
   clothes and dance five times around a burning candle in the wind.
   After completing this procedure, Google Chrome will now send a "do
   not track" signal with your traffic.  But if you want to use an ad
   blocker too, then you must first buy a plane ticket to Timbuktu, say
   twenty "Hail Mary"'s, hold your breath while tapping the space bar
   twice with the big toe of your left foot, ..."

   </hyperbole>

Store your data in the cloud, entrust the corporations with your
valuable data, pay them to store it, and then they can pull the
plug on their cloud storage offer any time "because of changing market
demands" and you end up losing all your data.  Plus that it gives them
a greater ability to track your behavior and — you've guessed it — send
you targeted ads.

The Dutch film director Paul Verhoeven — known internationally from
movies like (the original) "Total Recall", the "Robocop" series and the
"Starship Troopers" series — has been trying to warn the world for
decades of the upcoming corporate-fascist tech revolution THROUGH his
movies. And here we are.  Don't even bother talking to anyone at the bus
stop anymore, because they've got earbuds in and their eyes are glued to
their smartphones.  They're zombies.

If I were you, I'd start worrying a little more about all of that, than
about systemd.  systemd isn't perfect, but neither is sysvinit.  Don't
throw the baby out with the bathwater because of the politics that
were involved over at other distributions like Debian and Ubuntu.

-- 
With respect,
= Aragorn =

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#57270

From"F. Russell" <frussell@random.info>
Date2019-06-26 11:48 +0000
Message-ID<qevm2o02bf@news2.newsguy.com>
In reply to#57269
On Wed, 26 Jun 2019 12:53:53 +0200, Aragorn wrote:

> 
> But then I decided to look at things from a technical perspective, and
> ... systemd does make sense.
>

You seem to have missed this:

https://github.com/elogind/elogind

"... to run GNOME these days means that you need to have support for the
login1 D-Bus interface, which is currently only provided by systemd"

No systemd then no GNOME.

It's the beginning of the end for free choice in Linux.

Do you enjoy gardening?  Systemd is like a requirement for a Caterpillar
backhoe to plant a tulip.

More lunacy:

"[Logind] integrates with PAM to know the set of users that are logged in
to a system and whether they are logged in graphically, on the console,
or remotely. [Logind] exposes this information via the standard org.freedesktop.login1
D-Bus interface, as well as through the file system using systemd's standard
/run/systemd layout."

Sure.  There may have been lots of ghosts, gremlins, and goblins that logged
on to my stand-alone workstation during the night -- and I need systemd to inform
me of that fact.

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#57277

FromWildman <best_lay@yahoo.com>
Date2019-06-26 07:39 -0500
Message-ID<AJWdnVCUtJAa-o7AnZ2dnUU7-ImdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#57270
On Wed, 26 Jun 2019 11:48:40 +0000, F. Russell wrote:

> On Wed, 26 Jun 2019 12:53:53 +0200, Aragorn wrote:
> 
>> 
>> But then I decided to look at things from a technical perspective, and
>> ... systemd does make sense.
>>
> 
> You seem to have missed this:
> 
> https://github.com/elogind/elogind
> 
> "... to run GNOME these days means that you need to have support for the
> login1 D-Bus interface, which is currently only provided by systemd"
> 
> No systemd then no GNOME.
> 
> It's the beginning of the end for free choice in Linux.
> 
> Do you enjoy gardening?  Systemd is like a requirement for a Caterpillar
> backhoe to plant a tulip.
> 
> More lunacy:
> 
> "[Logind] integrates with PAM to know the set of users that are logged in
> to a system and whether they are logged in graphically, on the console,
> or remotely. [Logind] exposes this information via the standard org.freedesktop.login1
> D-Bus interface, as well as through the file system using systemd's standard
> /run/systemd layout."
> 
> Sure.  There may have been lots of ghosts, gremlins, and goblins that logged
> on to my stand-alone workstation during the night -- and I need systemd to inform
> me of that fact.

Another layer of tin foil should do the trick.

-- 
<Wildman> GNU/Linux user #557453
"I am Lrrr! Ruler of the planet Omicron Persei 8!
Can I crash on your couch?"
  -Lrrr

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#57278

Fromfr314159@gmail.com
Date2019-06-26 05:51 -0700
Message-ID<e95fb548-d898-4170-b822-49fd57fb93c6@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#57277
On Wednesday, June 26, 2019 at 8:39:41 AM UTC-4, Wildman wrote:

> 
> Another layer of tin foil should do the trick.
> 

It would certainly be a nice addition to your rose-colored glasses.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/rose-colored_glasses

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#57282

FromAragorn <thorongil@telenet.be>
Date2019-06-26 18:13 +0200
Message-ID<20190626181330.34204b54@nx-74205>
In reply to#57270
On 26.06.2019 at 11:48, F. Russell scribbled:

> On Wed, 26 Jun 2019 12:53:53 +0200, Aragorn wrote:
> 
> > 
> > But then I decided to look at things from a technical perspective,
> > and ... systemd does make sense.
> >  
> 
> You seem to have missed this:
> 
> https://github.com/elogind/elogind
> 
> "... to run GNOME these days means that you need to have support for
> the login1 D-Bus interface, which is currently only provided by
> systemd"
> 
> No systemd then no GNOME.
> 
> It's the beginning of the end for free choice in Linux.

GNOME is being developed and maintained over at RedHat, where systemd is
being developed, and GTK, and GDM, and pulseaudio, and avahi, and lots
of other stuff. It is therefore somewhat understandable that Lennart
Poettering asked his colleagues to make logind a hard dependency of GDM.

I don't see how he could do the same on account of all the desktop
environments and window managers that are NOT being developed over at
RedHat.

Besides, a separately working version of logind has been developed by
the Gentoo people, called elogind, which allows one to use GNOME in
non-systemd-based distributions and in *BSD.

> Do you enjoy gardening?  Systemd is like a requirement for a
> Caterpillar backhoe to plant a tulip.

Hyperbole.
 
> More lunacy:
> 
> "[Logind] integrates with PAM to know the set of users that are
> logged in to a system and whether they are logged in graphically, on
> the console, or remotely. [Logind] exposes this information via the
> standard org.freedesktop.login1 D-Bus interface, as well as through
> the file system using systemd's standard /run/systemd layout."
> 
> Sure.  There may have been lots of ghosts, gremlins, and goblins that
> logged on to my stand-alone workstation during the night -- and I
> need systemd to inform me of that fact.

I don't see what your problem is, apart from that you are apparently
unable to see beyond the narrow light cone of your own preferences.

-- 
With respect,
= Aragorn =

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