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  Suggestion about Linux/Ubuntu Distro for my hardware (Ryzen) MaxTheFast <gipsy.shadow.84@gmail.com> - 2019-02-10 10:56 -0800
    Re: Suggestion about Linux/Ubuntu Distro for my hardware (Ryzen) "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2019-02-10 20:48 +0100
      Re: Suggestion about Linux/Ubuntu Distro for my hardware (Ryzen) Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2019-02-15 04:31 +0000
        Re: Suggestion about Linux/Ubuntu Distro for my hardware (Ryzen) Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-15 11:43 -0800
          Re: Suggestion about Linux/Ubuntu Distro for my hardware (Ryzen) Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2019-02-16 04:51 +0000
    Re: Suggestion about Linux/Ubuntu Distro for my hardware (Ryzen) Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-10 12:16 -0800
      Re: Suggestion about Linux/Ubuntu Distro for my hardware (Ryzen) Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-10 15:24 -0800
        Re: Suggestion about Linux/Ubuntu Distro for my hardware (Ryzen) MaxTheFast <gipsy.shadow.84@gmail.com> - 2019-02-10 15:53 -0800
          Re: Suggestion about Linux/Ubuntu Distro for my hardware (Ryzen) Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-11 03:04 -0800
    Re: Suggestion about Linux/Ubuntu Distro for my hardware (Ryzen) Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2019-02-10 16:00 -0500
    Re: Suggestion about Linux/Ubuntu Distro for my hardware (Ryzen) bilou <padepub@free.fr> - 2019-02-10 23:42 +0100
      Re: Suggestion about Linux/Ubuntu Distro for my hardware (Ryzen) Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-02-10 23:05 +0000
        Re: Suggestion about Linux/Ubuntu Distro for my hardware (Ryzen) Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2019-02-10 18:46 -0500
          Re: Suggestion about Linux/Ubuntu Distro for my hardware (Ryzen) Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-02-11 00:33 +0000
        Re: Suggestion about Linux/Ubuntu Distro for my hardware (Ryzen) bilou <padepub@free.fr> - 2019-02-11 03:22 +0100
    Re: Suggestion about Linux/Ubuntu Distro for my hardware (Ryzen) MaxTheFast <gipsy.shadow.84@gmail.com> - 2019-02-10 15:43 -0800
      Re: Suggestion about Linux/Ubuntu Distro for my hardware (Ryzen) Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2019-02-10 19:39 -0500
      Re: Suggestion about Linux/Ubuntu Distro for my hardware (Ryzen) Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-10 16:53 -0800
        Re: Suggestion about Linux/Ubuntu Distro for my hardware (Ryzen) Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2019-02-10 20:07 -0500
          Re: Suggestion about Linux/Ubuntu Distro for my hardware (Ryzen) Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-10 18:53 -0800
            Re: Suggestion about Linux/Ubuntu Distro for my hardware (Ryzen) Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2019-02-10 23:47 -0500
            Re: Suggestion about Linux/Ubuntu Distro for my hardware (Ryzen) Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2019-02-15 04:31 +0000
      Re: Suggestion about Linux/Ubuntu Distro for my hardware (Ryzen) Daniel60 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2019-06-13 21:27 +1000
        Re: Suggestion about Linux/Ubuntu Distro for my hardware (Ryzen) MaxTheFast <gipsy.shadow.84@gmail.com> - 2019-06-13 14:54 -0700
          Re: Suggestion about Linux/Ubuntu Distro for my hardware (Ryzen) Daniel60 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2019-06-14 16:49 +1000
          Re: Suggestion about Linux/Ubuntu Distro for my hardware (Ryzen) Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2019-06-14 03:29 -0400
    Re: Suggestion about Linux/Ubuntu Distro for my hardware (Ryzen) MaxTheFast <gipsy.shadow.84@gmail.com> - 2019-02-11 08:18 -0800
      Re: Suggestion about Linux/Ubuntu Distro for my hardware (Ryzen) Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2019-02-11 11:39 -0500
      Re: Suggestion about Linux/Ubuntu Distro for my hardware (Ryzen) Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-11 08:44 -0800
        Re: Suggestion about Linux/Ubuntu Distro for my hardware (Ryzen) Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-11 10:47 -0800
          Re: Suggestion about Linux/Ubuntu Distro for my hardware (Ryzen) Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-11 12:22 -0800
    Re: Suggestion about Linux/Ubuntu Distro for my hardware (Ryzen) MaxTheFast <gipsy.shadow.84@gmail.com> - 2019-02-12 11:48 -0800
      Re: Suggestion about Linux/Ubuntu Distro for my hardware (Ryzen) Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-12 12:29 -0800
      Re: Suggestion about Linux/Ubuntu Distro for my hardware (Ryzen) Mike Easter <MikeE@Ster.invalid> - 2019-02-15 00:08 -0500
      Re: Suggestion about Linux/Ubuntu Distro for my hardware (Ryzen) Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2019-02-15 11:36 -0800
    Re: Suggestion about Linux/Ubuntu Distro for my hardware (Ryzen) Diesel <nobody@haph.org> - 2019-02-15 04:31 +0000

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#53726 — Suggestion about Linux/Ubuntu Distro for my hardware (Ryzen)

I've just built a PC with this following cgf:
- amd ryzen 3 2200g 3.5Ghz with vega8 integrated graphics;
- MB msi b450-a pro with latest bios V10.4 dec.2018;
- ram 2x4gb kingston hiperx predator 3200mhz cl16

I'm a linux very newbie because I had used only lubuntu 12.04 many years ago for a while so I can say now I'm going to start from zero.
Afaik there've always been some problems related to graphics in linux environments so I wonder if I'll get any with the vega graphics; I won't get a dedicated graph card. I'll use win10 for most of my SW but I'd like to use VLC and play streaming web videos in linux with no graphic troubles, if it's possible.
Unluckly my ram works @2400mhz 17-17-17-39 1.368V by default on that cfg but I can switch on a-xmp profile2 @2933 15-17-17-36 1.368V and it works good the same and I guess it's safe for my system's "health" on the long period, isn't it?

That said I ask: should I avoid some linux distros for graphic troubles related to ryzen? will I get troubles due to OCed ram in linux? what linux distros can you suggest for my system stability, my graphics and friendlyness? I'd prefer an ubuntu DE due to its community support but I'll consider everything anyway (eg. Mint).

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#53727

On 2/10/19 7:56 PM, MaxTheFast wrote:
> I've just built a PC with this following cgf:
> - amd ryzen 3 2200g 3.5Ghz with vega8 integrated graphics;
> - MB msi b450-a pro with latest bios V10.4 dec.2018;
> - ram 2x4gb kingston hiperx predator 3200mhz cl16
> 
> I'm a linux very newbie because I had used only lubuntu 12.04
> many years ago for a while so I can say now I'm going to start
> from zero.

You will need a somewhat new kernel to run on Ryzen, you need at least 
4.10 or later. If you are unsure about the kernel version, please visit 
distrowatch.com and select the distribution you want to double check.


> Afaik there've always been some problems related to graphics
> in linux environments so I wonder if I'll get any with the vega
> graphics;

If you want out of the box support, you will need a kernel 4.15 or 
later, there is of course AMD's own closed source driver too, but then 
you need to install a distribution supported by the closed source driver.

The open source one will be decent, maybe not full support while the 
closed source will give you everything.

IMHO you still get better graphics with nVidia and their closed source 
driver, while AMD and Intel gives you better support if you go with the 
open source driver.


> Unluckly my ram works @2400mhz 17-17-17-39 1.368V by default on that
> cfg but I can switch on a-xmp profile2 @2933 15-17-17-36 1.368V and
> it works good the same and I guess it's safe for my system's "health"
> on the long period, isn't it?

Running on the lower frequency may make your ram last longer, but I 
doubt you will keep your computer long enough to have the risk of the 
ram starting to wear out.


> That said I ask: should I avoid some linux distros for graphic 
> troubles related to ryzen?

In general, I would avoid all that has a kernel older than 4.15, as the 
4.15 isn't maintained anymore, you should keep your eye open for distros 
with 4.19/4.20.
Also you may want to use one that supplies an easy way to install the 
closed source driver, so debian maybe not too high on your list.


> will I get troubles due to OCed ram in linux?

Not unless you over clock it too much so that you get instabilities, but 
you will notice those in the other OS too.


> what linux distros can you suggest for my system stability,
> my graphics and friendlyness?
> I'd prefer an ubuntu DE due to its community support
> but I'll consider everything anyway (eg. Mint).

So why not just go with *ubuntu as you already prefer it.
Other alternatives would Mint as you mentioned, OpenSuse is quite nice 
too and if you fear the security vulnerabilities in systemd, then you 
maybe should take a look at Artix Linux.

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  //Aho

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#53822

"J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> news:gcbdgvF60neU1@mid.individual.net
Sun, 10 Feb 2019 19:48:47 GMT in alt.os.linux, wrote: 

> So why not just go with *ubuntu as you already prefer it.
> Other alternatives would Mint as you mentioned, OpenSuse is quite
> nice too and if you fear the security vulnerabilities in systemd,
> then you maybe should take a look at Artix Linux.

MXLinux isn't bad either...
 



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#53839

Diesel wrote:
> MXLinux isn't bad either...

Particularly since the newest 18.1 has 4.19 kernel which is nice for his 
Ryzen.  I just put that MX on a multiboot USB to tinker with.

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Mike Easter

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#53865

Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid>
news:gcoj2uF3436U1@mid.individual.net Fri, 15 Feb 2019 19:43:25 GMT
in alt.os.linux, wrote: 

> Diesel wrote:
>> MXLinux isn't bad either...
> 
> Particularly since the newest 18.1 has 4.19 kernel which is nice
> for his Ryzen.  I just put that MX on a multiboot USB to tinker
> with. 
> 

I like it quite a bit actually. I don't know why they removed a couple 
of items from right click, but, I use them so put them back. I find 
change permissions and share something across the network to be useful 
right click options, myself.

I can't use the built in update function in youtube-dl on MxLinux, but, 
that's okay, a couple of longer commands at console does the same 
thing. It's easier on resources than my trusty Mint 17.3 KDE. So I've 
basically got linux notes broken up by distro and version differences 
within the same distro. heh.

MxLinux also doesn't actually use systemd by default, but you can if 
you want to.
 


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#53728

MaxTheFast wrote:
> I'd prefer an ubuntu DE due to its community support but I'll consider everything anyway (eg. Mint).

IMO the best way to research various linux distros for how well they 
work with your hardware and how you like them is by dl/ing the distro, 
writing it to USB, and boot it up live and seeing how yuou like what you 
get.

Hold off on installing anything until you get a feel for various options.

I like Mint Cinnamon.  I also like Ubuntu Mate.  You have a lot of 
choices.  It is quicker and better to fetch the .iso and write it to USB 
and boot it than it is to search for answers to hardware related questions.

Since you will be starting with Win, you need a torrent agent to make it 
faster for dl/ing iso/s, a USB writer for writing 'some' USB sticks.

I like qBit torrent in Windows, Rufus for writing USB, HashCalc to check 
the hash after dl.  If you are trying to write multiple .iso/s to USB, 
then I use Yumi, but that multiple business is not as reliable to work.

Later, when you would rather spend more time in linux than Win, I use 
Transmission for the torrents, mkusb to write .iso/s with persistence, 
and there is a hashchecker built into many file managers.

And the sooner you are able to 'work in' linux such as being able to use 
a linux client to read and post to ng/s, you learn faster.  Googlegroups 
is a terrible way to read and post to ng/s.

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#53733

Mike Easter wrote:
> 
> I like Mint Cinnamon.  I also like Ubuntu Mate.  You have a lot of 
> choices.  It is quicker and better to fetch the .iso and write it to USB 
> and boot it than it is to search for answers to hardware related questions.

Regarding the kernel v.; Current Mint 19.1 and Ub 18.04.1 ;TS v/s, they 
are at 4.15, whereas such as Ub Mate 18.10 and other 18.10 Ubs are at 4.18.

Also, for Ub & its derivatives such as Mint, there is a Ubuntu Kernel 
Update Utility UKUU which can be installed via .ppa.  Then that utility 
can be used to update the kernel.

http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2017/02/ukuu-install-latest-kernels-ubuntu-linux-mint/ 
Ukuu – Simple Tool to Install the Latest Kernels in Ubuntu / Linux Mint

The average user isn't usually going to need to step outside the normal 
upgrade processes of their distro, but the Ryzen business may require it.



-- 
Mike Easter

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#53736

Mike Easter wrote:
> Regarding the kernel v.; Current Mint 19.1 and Ub 18.04.1 ;TS v/s, they 
> are at 4.15, whereas such as Ub Mate 18.10 and other 18.10 Ubs are at 4.18.
> 
> Also, for Ub & its derivatives such as Mint, there is a Ubuntu Kernel 
> Update Utility UKUU which can be installed via .ppa.  Then that utility 
> can be used to update the kernel.
> 
> http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2017/02/ukuu-install-latest-kernels-ubuntu-linux-mint/ 
> Ukuu – Simple Tool to Install the Latest Kernels in Ubuntu / Linux Mint
> 
> The average user isn't usually going to need to step outside the normal 
> upgrade processes of their distro, but the Ryzen business may require it.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Mike Easter
I was writing my question about kernels while you were writing its answer for me :) I think I'll get the LTS version then upgrade the kernel and... just hope.

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#53745

MaxTheFast wrote:
> I think I'll get the LTS version then upgrade the kernel and... just hope.

I don't know how much trouble it is for you to dl .iso/s, but I think my 
first choice would be to try to boot a live Ub 18.10.  It is possible 
you might ned to use the nomodeset boot parameter and get no gfx 
acceleration and then upgrade that kernel to the newer one.  Personally 
I would do all that with a live USB with persistence, not a hdd install.

If there are going to be bumps in the road, I would rather the bumps be 
on a USB live system than an install.  And I would rather not be making 
a very big jump in kernel v. The kernel up from the 18.10 would be 
smaller; and the 18.10 might work outofthebox.

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Mike Easter

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#53730

MaxTheFast wrote:
> I've just built a PC with this following cgf:
> - amd ryzen 3 2200g 3.5Ghz with vega8 integrated graphics;
> - MB msi b450-a pro with latest bios V10.4 dec.2018;
> - ram 2x4gb kingston hiperx predator 3200mhz cl16
> 
> I'm a linux very newbie because I had used only lubuntu 12.04 many years ago for a while so I can say now I'm going to start from zero.
> Afaik there've always been some problems related to graphics in linux environments so I wonder if I'll get any with the vega graphics; I won't get a dedicated graph card. I'll use win10 for most of my SW but I'd like to use VLC and play streaming web videos in linux with no graphic troubles, if it's possible.
> Unluckly my ram works @2400mhz 17-17-17-39 1.368V by default on that cfg but I can switch on a-xmp profile2 @2933 15-17-17-36 1.368V and it works good the same and I guess it's safe for my system's "health" on the long period, isn't it?
> 
> That said I ask: should I avoid some linux distros for graphic troubles related to ryzen? will I get troubles due to OCed ram in linux? what linux distros can you suggest for my system stability, my graphics and friendlyness? I'd prefer an ubuntu DE due to its community support but I'll consider everything anyway (eg. Mint).

You can see the state of things seven months ago.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/8v9eeb/state_of_ryzen_3_2200g_and_linux/

*******

Running memtest is the first test for a new build.
The download is half-way down the page.

http://www.memtest.org/

You can run Prime95 "torture test" from a LiveDVD.
There is a Linux binary here.

https://www.mersenne.org/download/

When it asks to "Join GIMPS", answer "Just Testing".
Prime95 runs on all cores, and does some FFT calcs
with a known answer. Any "roundoff" errors mean something
isn't stable. A four hour run with no errors, is a bare
minimum for patting yourself on the back with regard
to a build.

    Paul

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#53731

MaxTheFast a formulé la demande :
> I've just built a PC with this following cgf:
> - amd ryzen 3 2200g 3.5Ghz with vega8 integrated graphics;
> - MB msi b450-a pro with latest bios V10.4 dec.2018;
> - ram 2x4gb kingston hiperx predator 3200mhz cl16
>
> I'm a linux very newbie because I had used only lubuntu 12.04 many years ago 
> for a while so I can say now I'm going to start from zero.
> Afaik there've always been some problems related to graphics in linux 
> environments so I wonder if I'll get any with the vega graphics; I won't get 
> a dedicated graph card. I'll use win10 for most of my SW but I'd like to use 
> VLC and play streaming web videos in linux with no graphic troubles, if it's 
> possible.
> Unluckly my ram works @2400mhz 17-17-17-39 1.368V by default on that cfg but 
> I can switch on a-xmp profile2 @2933 15-17-17-36 1.368V and it works good the 
> same and I guess it's safe for my system's "health" on the long period, isn't 
> it?
>
> That said I ask: should I avoid some linux distros for graphic troubles 
> related to ryzen? will I get troubles due to OCed ram in linux? what linux 
> distros can you suggest for my system stability, my graphics and 
> friendlyness? I'd prefer an ubuntu DE due to its community support but I'll 
> consider everything anyway (eg. Mint).
My advice is simple: try as many recent distributions as you can.
They are free and modern hard drives have lots of space.
Discard those that fail to recognise basic hardware.
Keep the ones that you like.

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#53732

On 2019-02-10, bilou <padepub@free.fr> wrote:
> My advice is simple: try as many recent distributions as you can.

Nah, waste of time. Ubuntu, that is. Most supported distro.


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#53735

Melzzzzz wrote:
> On 2019-02-10, bilou <padepub@free.fr> wrote:
>> My advice is simple: try as many recent distributions as you can.
> 
> Nah, waste of time. Ubuntu, that is. Most supported distro.

Maybe disable C-states in UEFI BIOS.

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/linux-on-a-2200g-maybe-some-solutions-here.2554310/

    "So, it looks like bugs in the iGPU driver, at this point"

I would recommend careful testing, not just install and then
run off on vacation for a week.

And I've had problems on sleep before, with slightly older
hardware, so a really new hardware, it could do similar
on recovery from sleep (which requires warm-start
of drivers). Sleep only maintains RAM state, and
other hardware gubbins were sitting at zero volts
and all their settings are gone. A warm-starting driver
puts back everything the way it should be, when coming out
of sleep. After the drivers are up, the screen can come
back on.

C-states is a similar issue, since some of the deep C
states are turning off power to stuff. They just keep
adding more and more C states to hardware. (C6 wasn't
enough apparently).

When a hardware box gives you grief, the best you can
do is disable all the power management in sight, and
say a prayer. Someone in that thread mentioned using
a discrete graphics card as a workaround, if the Vega8
inside the CPU isn't working well enough. It defeats the
whole purpose of course, but it's an option when
things aren't as smooth as they could be.

A bleeding edge CPU needs a bleeding edge OS.

    Paul

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#53737

On 2019-02-10, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
> Melzzzzz wrote:
>> On 2019-02-10, bilou <padepub@free.fr> wrote:
>>> My advice is simple: try as many recent distributions as you can.
>> 
>> Nah, waste of time. Ubuntu, that is. Most supported distro.
>
> Maybe disable C-states in UEFI BIOS.
>
> https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/linux-on-a-2200g-maybe-some-solutions-here.2554310/

That's from last year/./...


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#53741

Melzzzzz avait prétendu :
> On 2019-02-10, bilou <padepub@free.fr> wrote:
>> My advice is simple: try as many recent distributions as you can.
>
> Nah, waste of time. Ubuntu, that is. Most supported distro.
>
>
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The waste of time commes when you try to have WIFI or HDMI sound
or blue tooth working if it is not on first boot.

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#53734

Ok, I'll just care of getting a distro carrying the newest kernel instead of the distro itself. Just a couple of other questions:
- I saw there're both ubuntu 18.04.1LTS and 18.10 which are the latest ones downloadable right now. Should I prefer one of them? I couldn't understand what kernels they carry on but as far as I remember I can get the latest linux kernel for my ubuntu whenever I want, can't I?
- Is anything here [https://github.com/M-Bab/linux-kernel-amdgpu-binaries] that deals with my case? For example:
"I have an extremely new AMD GPU (e.g. Vega or Raven Ridge) - what should I do? - You should definitely install a kernel with display code.[...]". Can be it useful? That's arab for me :)
- While using lubuntu 12.04 the most problematic issue for me was to make my huawei internet usb dongle to work due to the fact I've neither wifi nor ethernet connection. Now I'm in the same situation with another huawei dongle and I'm afraid to get same issues. Anyway that belongs to HW issues and as far as I understood my dongle's behaviour will be the same nevermind the chosen distro, won't it be?
- @J.O. Aho
>Also you may want to use one that supplies an easy way to install the closed source driver, so debian maybe not too high on your list.
Sorry but I don't understand "install the closed source driver", can you explain that?

@Paul
Hi Paul, glad to read you here. As you see now I'm looking for a linux distro. I flashed my mb's bios to the latest version as you suggested and next week I'll think about OCing the new ram :) Anyway thanks for your support here and there.

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#53738

MaxTheFast wrote:
> Ok, I'll just care of getting a distro carrying the newest kernel instead of the distro itself. Just a couple of other questions:
> - I saw there're both ubuntu 18.04.1LTS and 18.10 which are the latest ones downloadable right now. Should I prefer one of them? I couldn't understand what kernels they carry on but as far as I remember I can get the latest linux kernel for my ubuntu whenever I want, can't I?
> - Is anything here [https://github.com/M-Bab/linux-kernel-amdgpu-binaries] that deals with my case? For example:
> "I have an extremely new AMD GPU (e.g. Vega or Raven Ridge) - what should I do? - You should definitely install a kernel with display code.[...]". Can be it useful? That's arab for me :)
> - While using lubuntu 12.04 the most problematic issue for me was to make my huawei internet usb dongle to work due to the fact I've neither wifi nor ethernet connection. Now I'm in the same situation with another huawei dongle and I'm afraid to get same issues. Anyway that belongs to HW issues and as far as I understood my dongle's behaviour will be the same nevermind the chosen distro, won't it be?
> - @J.O. Aho
>> Also you may want to use one that supplies an easy way to install the closed source driver, so debian maybe not too high on your list.
> Sorry but I don't understand "install the closed source driver", can you explain that?
> 
> @Paul
> Hi Paul, glad to read you here. As you see now I'm looking for a linux distro. 
> I flashed my mb's bios to the latest version as you suggested and next week
> I'll think about OCing the new ram :) Anyway thanks for your support here and there.

You can type "driver" into Dash (lower-left of Ubuntu screen),
and see the Software panel with the driver options listed.

By default, you would be running the Open Source driver for
your new Vega8. If you use the Software panel as in the
picture, it will show whether a Proprietary driver is
visible in Package Management or not.

https://i.postimg.cc/wTKCL079/type-driver-in-Dash-bottom-left.gif

It uses DKMS. That means, the video card driver is "boiled"
into the kernel. Every time the kernel is updated, DKMS
runs again, processes Linux Headers, and makes new initrd
and stuff. The only reason you have to know about this,
is drivers have a "best before date" in the way of a
"range of supported kernels". I don't know what you're
supposed to do, when the kernel version updates past
the version limits in your driver. It helps if your video GPU
is "supported" when this happens, as a new driver will
be available by then. For video cards having only "legacy" or
"archived" drivers, when the kernel range is exceeded,
you're SOL as far as I know. That will be at least another
six years for your new hardware.

    Paul

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#53739

MaxTheFast wrote:
> While using lubuntu 12.04 the most problematic issue for me was to make my huawei internet usb dongle to work due to the fact I've neither wifi nor ethernet connection. Now I'm in the same situation with another huawei dongle and I'm afraid to get same issues. Anyway that belongs to HW issues and as far as I understood my dongle's behaviour will be the same nevermind the chosen distro, won't it be?

I don't understand 'I've neither wifi nor ethernet' (connectivity). 
What is the nature of your connectivity?



-- 
Mike Easter

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#53740

Mike Easter wrote:
> MaxTheFast wrote:
>> While using lubuntu 12.04 the most problematic issue for me was to 
>> make my huawei internet usb dongle to work due to the fact I've 
>> neither wifi nor ethernet connection. Now I'm in the same situation 
>> with another huawei dongle and I'm afraid to get same issues. Anyway 
>> that belongs to HW issues and as far as I understood my dongle's 
>> behaviour will be the same nevermind the chosen distro, won't it be?
> 
> I don't understand 'I've neither wifi nor ethernet' (connectivity). What 
> is the nature of your connectivity?

The description means he uses 3G and a Cell Tower dongle to
connect to the Internet (on a data plan, "tethered").

No Cable Modem or ADSL modem or satellite or dialup.

A person could I suppose, invest in a cellular router,
with cell on one side, and Ethernet cables or Wifi on
the other side. So the computers would be oblivious as
to where their Internet comes from. Needing to have
"connection" software on each computing device, takes
the fun out of being tethered.

And usually the caps on such plans, aren't all that good.
Too many greedy services, could cause your service to be
slowed to a crawl when you hit the cap.

When the provider knows you're tethered, there's usually
an addition on the bill for $10 or $15 or so. That's the
way it used to be. And back in the day, the ISP would
"sniff" what you were doing, to detect the difference
between a cellphone using the plan, and someone
sneaking a "tethered" device into the picture
instead. And then the provider would add the $10 or $15
charge to the bill, once detected.

The only thing worse is Satellite, with a 2GB/month cap.
Which is enough cap to test "ping" every once in a while :-/

    Paul

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#53742

Paul wrote:
> Mike Easter wrote:
>> MaxTheFast wrote:
>>> While using lubuntu 12.04 the most problematic issue for me was to 
>>> make my huawei internet usb dongle to work due to the fact I've 
>>> neither wifi nor ethernet connection. Now I'm in the same situation 
>>> with another huawei dongle and I'm afraid to get same issues. Anyway 
>>> that belongs to HW issues and as far as I understood my dongle's 
>>> behaviour will be the same nevermind the chosen distro, won't it be?
>>
>> I don't understand 'I've neither wifi nor ethernet' (connectivity). 
>> What is the nature of your connectivity?
> 
> The description means he uses 3G and a Cell Tower dongle to
> connect to the Internet (on a data plan, "tethered").

I don't know much about tethered 3G connectivity for data, but I have a 
feeling some of my ideas about dl/ing a 'bunch' of .iso/s by torrent, 
which usually provides very fast dl/s on good broadband, wouldn't work 
out at all for him.

In terms of numbers, I see an oldish 2015 article that says, 
"Third-generation mobile networks, or 3G, came to the U.S. in 2003. With 
minimum consistent Internet speeds of 144Kbps, 3G was supposed to bring 
"mobile broadband." There are now so many varieties of 3G, though, that 
a "3G" connection can get you Internet speeds anywhere from 400Kbps to 
more than ten times that."

Even 10x that is 'nothing' compared to my broadband speeds.

Hopefully he would be able to go/travel to some broadband connectivity 
place like a nearby library or other publicly accessible broadband 
connection  temporarily to get some iso/s.



-- 
Mike Easter

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