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  ot - re:dual-booters Nic <Nic@none.net> - 2022-11-26 16:00 -0500
    Re: ot - re:dual-booters Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2022-11-27 08:39 -0800
      Re: ot - re:dual-booters Nic <Nic@none.net> - 2022-11-27 13:34 -0500
        Re: ot - re:dual-booters Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2022-11-27 10:51 -0800
          Re: ot - re:dual-booters Nic <Nic@none.net> - 2022-11-27 14:11 -0500
            Re: ot - re:dual-booters Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2022-11-27 11:55 -0800
              Re: ot - re:dual-booters Nic <Nic@none.net> - 2022-11-27 15:56 -0500
                Re: ot - re:dual-booters Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2022-11-27 14:26 -0800
                  Re: ot - re:dual-booters Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> - 2022-11-28 00:34 -0600
                  Re: ot - re:dual-booters Nic <Nic@none.net> - 2022-11-28 10:14 -0500
      Re: ot - re:dual-booters Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2022-11-30 13:32 -0800

#39527 — ot - re:dual-booters

 From the obvious direction the use of computing devices is being split 
into 2 groups, since for most having 2 devices each with its own 
operating system becomes clumsy and not convenient. The division will 
become more evident as newer hardware will increasingly become more 
selective and forcing a distinct choice. Linux must strive to be a 
strong player in this choice of division. Long Live Linux (LLL).

-- 
Pity the fool who followed his GPS over the cliff

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#39528

Nic wrote:
>  From the obvious direction the use of computing devices is being split 
> into 2 groups, since for most having 2 devices each with its own 
> operating system becomes clumsy and not convenient. The division will 
> become more evident as newer hardware will increasingly become more 
> selective and forcing a distinct choice. Linux must strive to be a 
> strong player in this choice of division. Long Live Linux (LLL).

I tend to buy cheap computers on sale, since I ceased assembling them 
from parts bought whenever a 'piece' was on sale.  And I don't discard 
the old computer/s, but keep them around.

A typical cheap computer comes w/ a Win installed, in my case the last 
laptop I bought had W10, and the oldest desktop I have still running has 
XP.  I have 2 desktops which came w/ a refurb W7 license.

My rigs employ kb-mouse-video switches, so two old desktops share the 
same station, and my chair can access two of those stations, ie 4 
desktops.  But rarely more than 2 at a time.

99.5% of the time I'm in linux.  The other 0.5% I do something in Win7, 
previously that was XP.

As I'm typing this, it is from a Mint Cinnamon 'live' w/ persistence. 
To my right is another machine which is at this 'instant' using W7 to 
print a couple of puzzles from PDFXChange to IrfanView because I like 
those tools for that purpose.  Yesterday I booted a live Mint Cinnamon 
plus LibreOffice there to print a couple of mailing labels which I had 
previously done w/ the XP machine because it was already rigged for the 
proprietary Avery labels, but I had moved the USB connected printer off 
the XP machine.  That W7 machine is usually used to boot some variable 
live linux on a Ventoy stick.

Dual booting in the conventional sense doesn't actually fall into any of 
the above scenarios.

When I boot the W10 laptop, I do it w/ a MX Linux live w/ persistence 
because I don't like W10.

It would be possible for me to replace all of the machine installations 
which still have a Win, XP, 7, or 10 w/ a linux and have NO machines 
still w/ a Win, but it would be slightly less convenient.  And unnecessary.

For me, having/using multiple machines is more convenient, not less.

-- 
Mike Easter

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#39529

On 11/27/22 11:39 AM, Mike Easter wrote:
> Nic wrote:
>>  From the obvious direction the use of computing devices is being 
>> split into 2 groups, since for most having 2 devices each with its 
>> own operating system becomes clumsy and not convenient. The division 
>> will become more evident as newer hardware will increasingly become 
>> more selective and forcing a distinct choice. Linux must strive to be 
>> a strong player in this choice of division. Long Live Linux (LLL).
>
> I tend to buy cheap computers on sale, since I ceased assembling them 
> from parts bought whenever a 'piece' was on sale.  And I don't discard 
> the old computer/s, but keep them around.
>
> A typical cheap computer comes w/ a Win installed, in my case the last 
> laptop I bought had W10, and the oldest desktop I have still running 
> has XP.  I have 2 desktops which came w/ a refurb W7 license.
>
> My rigs employ kb-mouse-video switches, so two old desktops share the 
> same station, and my chair can access two of those stations, ie 4 
> desktops.  But rarely more than 2 at a time.
>
> 99.5% of the time I'm in linux.  The other 0.5% I do something in 
> Win7, previously that was XP.
>
> As I'm typing this, it is from a Mint Cinnamon 'live' w/ persistence. 
> To my right is another machine which is at this 'instant' using W7 to 
> print a couple of puzzles from PDFXChange to IrfanView because I like 
> those tools for that purpose.  Yesterday I booted a live Mint Cinnamon 
> plus LibreOffice there to print a couple of mailing labels which I had 
> previously done w/ the XP machine because it was already rigged for 
> the proprietary Avery labels, but I had moved the USB connected 
> printer off the XP machine.  That W7 machine is usually used to boot 
> some variable live linux on a Ventoy stick.
>
> Dual booting in the conventional sense doesn't actually fall into any 
> of the above scenarios.
>
> When I boot the W10 laptop, I do it w/ a MX Linux live w/ persistence 
> because I don't like W10.
>
> It would be possible for me to replace all of the machine 
> installations which still have a Win, XP, 7, or 10 w/ a linux and have 
> NO machines still w/ a Win, but it would be slightly less convenient.  
> And unnecessary.
>
> For me, having/using multiple machines is more convenient, not less.
>
I think that you are an exception to most people. Most people are more 
computer challenged, and when they encounter a problem with their 
computing device will dispose of it and buy a new one. In some ways 
Linux has proven to be the tinkerers gold mine as opposed to the 
disposable thinking of many. LLL

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#39530

Nic wrote:
> Most people are more computer challenged, and when they encounter a 
> problem with their computing device will dispose of it and buy a new
> one.

Just this past week I heard 2 such stories from a computer-challenged
individual.  She bought a newer smart TV because a service person told
her that her current model wouldn't get the streaming service she
wanted.   Then after her purchase of a newer TV she learned from a
different service person that it would.  But, she isn't unhappy because
she put the old one into a bedroom and she likes the newer model better
for her main TV.

She also bought a newer chromebook because her current working one
wouldn't update automatically any more.  She didn't discard the old one,
but I'm sure it will just get 'parked' somewhere unused.  Personally I
would put GalliumOS on it.

For your linux interest, both of the above TVs are Samsung, which uses
Tizen as its OS.  Tizen is linux based; and Samsung has been using Tizen
since 2015.

> over 200 million people in 197 countries around the world are using
> Tizen OS through their Samsung smart TVs.



-- 
Mike Easter

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#39531

On 11/27/22 1:51 PM, Mike Easter wrote:
> Nic wrote:
>> Most people are more computer challenged, and when they encounter a 
>> problem with their computing device will dispose of it and buy a new
>> one.
>
> Just this past week I heard 2 such stories from a computer-challenged
> individual.  She bought a newer smart TV because a service person told
> her that her current model wouldn't get the streaming service she
> wanted.   Then after her purchase of a newer TV she learned from a
> different service person that it would.  But, she isn't unhappy because
> she put the old one into a bedroom and she likes the newer model better
> for her main TV.
>
> She also bought a newer chromebook because her current working one
> wouldn't update automatically any more.  She didn't discard the old one,
> but I'm sure it will just get 'parked' somewhere unused. Personally I
> would put GalliumOS on it.
>
> For your linux interest, both of the above TVs are Samsung, which uses
> Tizen as its OS.  Tizen is linux based; and Samsung has been using Tizen
> since 2015.
>
>> over 200 million people in 197 countries around the world are using
>> Tizen OS through their Samsung smart TVs.
>
>
>
I avoid those types of TV's because it requires an online presence to 
stream your choice of entertainment.

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#39532

Nic wrote:
> I avoid those types of TV's because it requires an online presence to 
> stream your choice of entertainment.

I don't stream.

My TV is sat.  I mostly watch old programming and old movies.

Alleged news is a problem since mainstream incl Fox is all opinion/biased.

NewsNation is pretty good except for Cuomo's overblown personality. 
Fortunately he spends part of his time debating Bill O'Reilly.  I like 
Abrams.

-- 
Mike Easter

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#39533

On 11/27/22 2:55 PM, Mike Easter wrote:
> Nic wrote:
>> I avoid those types of TV's because it requires an online presence to 
>> stream your choice of entertainment.
>
> I don't stream.
>
> My TV is sat.  I mostly watch old programming and old movies.
>
> Alleged news is a problem since mainstream incl Fox is all 
> opinion/biased.
>
> NewsNation is pretty good except for Cuomo's overblown personality. 
> Fortunately he spends part of his time debating Bill O'Reilly.  I like 
> Abrams.
>
When you say sat tv, do you mean that you purchase a service from dish 
network or directv?

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#39534

Nic wrote:
> When you say sat tv, do you mean that you purchase a service from dish 
> network or directv?

Yes.  There are 4 TVs and they are 'networked' in that any of them can 
record or play independently on/from a centralized DVR.  So there is an 
outside sat dish which is cabled to an inside device which comms w/ the 
rest of the system wirelessly.  All of that equipment belongs to the sat 
tv service, none to me.

Personally, considering the 'cheap' programming I prefer to watch, I 
don't think I'm getting a good deal, but I don't know of a better 
alternative.

Prior to this sat business, the 4 were cable tv.  No dvr.

-- 
Mike Easter

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#39535

On Sun, 27 Nov 2022 14:26:37 -0800, Mike Easter wrote:
> Nic wrote:
>> When you say sat tv, do you mean that you purchase a service from dish
>> network or directv?
>
> Yes.  There are 4 TVs and they are 'networked' in that any of them can
> record or play independently on/from a centralized DVR.  So there is an
> outside sat dish which is cabled to an inside device which comms w/ the
> rest of the system wirelessly.  All of that equipment belongs to the sat
> tv service, none to me.
>
> Personally, considering the 'cheap' programming I prefer to watch, I
> don't think I'm getting a good deal, but I don't know of a better
> alternative.

I only buy Internet from my ISP, currently Spectrum cable.
Depending on who is cheaper Frontier Fios or Spectrum.

https://www.phonepower.com/voiphome.aspx gets me a land line for less than
$9.00 a month.

I am in Dallas Texas so there are numerous Over The Air TV channels.

I bought SiliconDust network tv tuners and a Ethernet switch connected
to my home grown mythtv machine. I pay Schedules Direct about $25 a year
for tv schedule and use MythTv to do the recording/playback.

Is kinda nice to be able to fast forward/skip commercials. Saves me
about 20 minutes of every hour recorded. Currently can store about
80 hours of tv shows.

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#39536

On 11/27/22 5:26 PM, Mike Easter wrote:
> Nic wrote:
>> When you say sat tv, do you mean that you purchase a service from 
>> dish network or directv?
>
> Yes.  There are 4 TVs and they are 'networked' in that any of them can 
> record or play independently on/from a centralized DVR.  So there is 
> an outside sat dish which is cabled to an inside device which comms w/ 
> the rest of the system wirelessly.  All of that equipment belongs to 
> the sat tv service, none to me.
>
> Personally, considering the 'cheap' programming I prefer to watch, I 
> don't think I'm getting a good deal, but I don't know of a better 
> alternative.
>
> Prior to this sat business, the 4 were cable tv.  No dvr.
>
Depending on your choice of entertainment or information (documentary), 
have you looked for your content on the video platforms (youtube, 
bitchute), then download them to a thumb drive and play them on your tv 
. The download speed for a 2 hour documentary is minutes even on a slow 
connection. For the more daring, there is a vpn and a torrent client 
such as qbittorent where you can find large collections of video material.

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#39541

Mike Easter wrote:
> Yesterday I booted a live Mint Cinnamon plus LibreOffice there to print 
> a couple of mailing labels which I had previously done w/ the XP machine 
> because it was already rigged for the proprietary Avery labels, but I 
> had moved the USB connected printer off the XP machine.  That W7 machine 
> is usually used to boot some variable live linux on a Ventoy stick.

I'm not happy w/ the relationship between the CUPS on linux as opposed 
to the proprietary Win7 drivers for the Canon MP 160 black ink Pixma. 
The options for using the Canon w/ variable printed page sizes is much 
better on the Win and the only default 'word processor' on the Win was 
WordPad which doesn't do labels.

I'm installing LibreOffice 7.4.3 to Win7 so as to be able to use its 
label maker on the Canon instead of trying to use linux.

I blame the 'problem' on Canon not CUPS; Canon makes no linux drivers 
for the MP 160.

Sometimes it is easier to just use Win for something rather than solve 
the linux compatibility problem properly.

-- 
Mike Easter

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