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  3 new proglems, probably in Win 11 only.  micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-02-23 11:27 -0500
    Re: 3 new proglems, probably in Win 11 only. Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-23 13:07 -0500
      Re: 3 new proglems, probably in Win 11 only. micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-02-23 13:42 -0500
    Re: 3 new proglems, probably in Win 11 only. knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-23 13:39 -0500
      Re: 3 new proglems, probably in Win 11 only. micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-02-25 18:15 -0500
    Re: 3 new proglems, probably in Win 11 only. ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-02-23 12:10 -0700
      Re: 3 new proglems, probably in Win 11 only. micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-02-25 18:20 -0500
        Re: 3 new proglems, probably in Win 11 only. ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-02-27 13:57 -0700
          Re: 3 new proglems, probably in Win 11 only. John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> - 2025-02-28 10:05 +0000
            Re: 3 new proglems, probably in Win 11 only. Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-03-01 19:58 +1100
          Re: 3 new proglems, probably in Win 11 only. micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-03-10 10:27 -0400

#182511 — 3 new proglems, probably in Win 11 only.

Three Windows problems, unrelated to Eudora, that happened along the way
when trying to update Eudora, 

Only for win11 or did I somehow not encounter them in win10? 

1) I copied over all the Eudora files from a working computer, and
that's enough to make it work, but in order for Eudora to be in the list
of installed programs, so that it can be set to be the program that gets
called when one clicks on an email address in a web browser, for
example, it has to be installed too. 

The install program, Eudora_7.1.0.9, that I have used 5 or 10 times
since 2010, would not work.  Message said "blocked by an administrator".
I'm the only administrator.  No way provided to override.  Downloaded
another copy from a trusted source (apparently some have adware in them)
and got same message.   Tried a) setting it to run as administrator, b)
increasing permissions from the file's Properties screen, and c) turning
off UAC (including restarting Windows after doing that). Nothing worked.
Finally read a suggestion to start a CMD box with administrative powers
and run the installer from there. That worked fine.

One person suggested I change the settings to allow non-MS programs to
be run, but they were already set to from Anywhere, which appears to be
the default since my other two computers are set that way, and I never
changed them. 

How was this file blocked?  Is it on a list of "bad programs" or is
there something in the file that Windows looks for and decides it should
be blocked? 

What other files are blocked?   And would this have happened in win10?
Well I know it wouldn't because I ran this very program in two win10
boxes, about a year ago.  

2) Can't create a subdirectory, no matter what name I choose, in
C:\Programs.  This is not Program Files or Program Files (x86) and I
thought the name would mean nothing special to Windows, but is
C:\Programs now a protected directory? 

3) Can't copy files, (updated files to make Eudora work slightly
better), to C:\Programs\Eudora.  Is this the same problem as problem 2
above?   Is it that only installation programs can move or copy files
into a Programs sub-directory?  And what makes an installation program
move/copy different from a File manager move/copy?  If I write a bat
file to move/copy these files, would that work?  Or does it have to be
compiled?  

The first time I used a 3rd-party file manager, so I switched to File
Explorer.  Either way, first it wants one to click on the button with
the Administrator logo (and you think doing this means you're home free)
then the moving graph starts and after one program has seemingly moved,
according to the graph, it again complains, iirc that it doesn't know
the author of the files I want to copy, or maybe that's just a side
comment and no reason is given, and provides no suggested alternative to
copy them.  Way to go, MS!

I have a feeling, and I'll try it later, I could get around problems 2
and 3 in the same way I did problem 1, in a CMD box (with elevated
powers??).  If so, does MS ever tell people about this limitation and
how to get around it?  Or they just leave people in a quandary? 

It's a good thing I still know DOS commands. I bet anyone under 50
doesn't know them, probably doesn't even know DOS exists, and that's
most people. So what do they do?  

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#182512

On Sun, 2/23/2025 11:27 AM, micky wrote:
> Three Windows problems, unrelated to Eudora, that happened along the way
> when trying to update Eudora, 
> 
> Only for win11 or did I somehow not encounter them in win10? 
> 
> 1) I copied over all the Eudora files from a working computer, and
> that's enough to make it work, but in order for Eudora to be in the list
> of installed programs, so that it can be set to be the program that gets
> called when one clicks on an email address in a web browser, for
> example, it has to be installed too. 
> 
> The install program, Eudora_7.1.0.9, that I have used 5 or 10 times
> since 2010, would not work.  Message said "blocked by an administrator".
> I'm the only administrator.  No way provided to override.  Downloaded
> another copy from a trusted source (apparently some have adware in them)
> and got same message.   Tried a) setting it to run as administrator, b)
> increasing permissions from the file's Properties screen, and c) turning
> off UAC (including restarting Windows after doing that). Nothing worked.
> Finally read a suggestion to start a CMD box with administrative powers
> and run the installer from there. That worked fine.
> 
> One person suggested I change the settings to allow non-MS programs to
> be run, but they were already set to from Anywhere, which appears to be
> the default since my other two computers are set that way, and I never
> changed them. 
> 
> How was this file blocked?  Is it on a list of "bad programs" or is
> there something in the file that Windows looks for and decides it should
> be blocked? 
> 
> What other files are blocked?   And would this have happened in win10?
> Well I know it wouldn't because I ran this very program in two win10
> boxes, about a year ago.  
> 
> 2) Can't create a subdirectory, no matter what name I choose, in
> C:\Programs.  This is not Program Files or Program Files (x86) and I
> thought the name would mean nothing special to Windows, but is
> C:\Programs now a protected directory? 
> 
> 3) Can't copy files, (updated files to make Eudora work slightly
> better), to C:\Programs\Eudora.  Is this the same problem as problem 2
> above?   Is it that only installation programs can move or copy files
> into a Programs sub-directory?  And what makes an installation program
> move/copy different from a File manager move/copy?  If I write a bat
> file to move/copy these files, would that work?  Or does it have to be
> compiled?  
> 
> The first time I used a 3rd-party file manager, so I switched to File
> Explorer.  Either way, first it wants one to click on the button with
> the Administrator logo (and you think doing this means you're home free)
> then the moving graph starts and after one program has seemingly moved,
> according to the graph, it again complains, iirc that it doesn't know
> the author of the files I want to copy, or maybe that's just a side
> comment and no reason is given, and provides no suggested alternative to
> copy them.  Way to go, MS!
> 
> I have a feeling, and I'll try it later, I could get around problems 2
> and 3 in the same way I did problem 1, in a CMD box (with elevated
> powers??).  If so, does MS ever tell people about this limitation and
> how to get around it?  Or they just leave people in a quandary? 
> 
> It's a good thing I still know DOS commands. I bet anyone under 50
> doesn't know them, probably doesn't even know DOS exists, and that's
> most people. So what do they do?  
> 

Do you ever do Properties on the files you download from the Internet ?

What do you notice ?

The tick box at the bottom ?

The status line down there indicates "the user has downloaded an unclean file
from the Internet, we will show this status until the user tells
us the program is clean". That is what the tick box is for.

*******

Based on having so many questions about Eudora, let us see what files
Paul has accumulated.

 Directory of S:\Eudora
         .
Sun, 01/28/2024  07:59 PM        16,993,736 Eudora_7.1.0.9.exe        <=== we will check this for the tick box
Sun, 01/28/2024  07:56 PM         3,830,985 Eudora_71_User_Manual.zip
Sun, 01/28/2024  07:54 PM            30,127 Readme-First-Eudora-71.txt

Name: Eudora_7.1.0.9.exe
Size: 16,993,736 bytes (16 MiB)
SHA256: 96AEC8EA618E34F0DEEEA67854D01CBA97EE99CC3080517D385D901E58CB4EB4

Now, let us look at the status of the file. How "dirty" is it ?
Yes, there is a box to tick. Because it was downloaded by a browser
in Zone 3.

    [Picture]

     https://i.postimg.cc/P5Fpt4Qm/eudora-download-status.gif

*******

Inside Eudora is this:

Name: EudoraProject.msi
Size: 1,505,280 bytes (1470 KiB)
SHA256: 758D662360F9DFA04F029D32237E1943533C9E51717D5E824677342135AB2CFA

Sun, 02/23/2025  12:55 PM         1,505,280 EudoraProject.msi
Tue, 03/18/2003  09:20 PM         1,060,864 mfc71.dll    \
Tue, 03/18/2003  09:12 PM         1,047,552 mfc71u_dll    \___ I didn't extract these properly, I just wanted
Tue, 03/18/2003  08:14 PM           499,712 msvcp71.dll   /    the names for the forensic info. It looks
Fri, 02/21/2003  04:42 AM           348,160 msvcr71.dll  /     like an old copy of Visual Studio runtimes.

I'm doing that much, to show you that copying the files isn't sufficient...
unless those DLLs happen to be in the folder with your installed executable.
If those happened to be installed in System32 for example, you might easily
miss them. There is a proper way to extract all of that file, but
I'm not taking it all apart. You should be able to use the installer
to install it (and its payloads).

   Paul

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#182518

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sun, 23 Feb 2025 13:07:15 -0500, Paul
<nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

>On Sun, 2/23/2025 11:27 AM, micky wrote:
>> Three Windows problems, unrelated to Eudora, that happened along the way
>> when trying to update Eudora, 
>> 
>> Only for win11 or did I somehow not encounter them in win10? 
>> 
>> 1) I copied over all the Eudora files from a working computer, and
>> that's enough to make it work, but in order for Eudora to be in the list
>> of installed programs, so that it can be set to be the program that gets
>> called when one clicks on an email address in a web browser, for
>> example, it has to be installed too. 
>> 
>> The install program, Eudora_7.1.0.9, that I have used 5 or 10 times
>> since 2010, would not work.  Message said "blocked by an administrator".
>> I'm the only administrator.  No way provided to override.  Downloaded
>> another copy from a trusted source (apparently some have adware in them)
>> and got same message.   Tried a) setting it to run as administrator, b)
>> increasing permissions from the file's Properties screen, and c) turning
>> off UAC (including restarting Windows after doing that). Nothing worked.
>> Finally read a suggestion to start a CMD box with administrative powers
>> and run the installer from there. That worked fine.
>> 
>> One person suggested I change the settings to allow non-MS programs to
>> be run, but they were already set to from Anywhere, which appears to be
>> the default since my other two computers are set that way, and I never
>> changed them. 
>> 
>> How was this file blocked?  Is it on a list of "bad programs" or is
>> there something in the file that Windows looks for and decides it should
>> be blocked? 
>> 
>> What other files are blocked?   And would this have happened in win10?
>> Well I know it wouldn't because I ran this very program in two win10
>> boxes, about a year ago.  
>> 
>> 2) Can't create a subdirectory, no matter what name I choose, in
>> C:\Programs.  This is not Program Files or Program Files (x86) and I
>> thought the name would mean nothing special to Windows, but is
>> C:\Programs now a protected directory? 
>> 
>> 3) Can't copy files, (updated files to make Eudora work slightly
>> better), to C:\Programs\Eudora.  Is this the same problem as problem 2
>> above?   Is it that only installation programs can move or copy files
>> into a Programs sub-directory?  And what makes an installation program
>> move/copy different from a File manager move/copy?  If I write a bat
>> file to move/copy these files, would that work?  Or does it have to be
>> compiled?  
>> 
>> The first time I used a 3rd-party file manager, so I switched to File
>> Explorer.  Either way, first it wants one to click on the button with
>> the Administrator logo (and you think doing this means you're home free)
>> then the moving graph starts and after one program has seemingly moved,
>> according to the graph, it again complains, iirc that it doesn't know
>> the author of the files I want to copy, or maybe that's just a side
>> comment and no reason is given, and provides no suggested alternative to
>> copy them.  Way to go, MS!
>> 
>> I have a feeling, and I'll try it later, I could get around problems 2
>> and 3 in the same way I did problem 1, in a CMD box (with elevated
>> powers??).  If so, does MS ever tell people about this limitation and
>> how to get around it?  Or they just leave people in a quandary? 
>> 
>> It's a good thing I still know DOS commands. I bet anyone under 50
>> doesn't know them, probably doesn't even know DOS exists, and that's
>> most people. So what do they do?  
>> 
>
>Do you ever do Properties on the files you download from the Internet ?
>
>What do you notice ?
>
>The tick box at the bottom ?

I often look at file properties, and that must have included files I
downloaded, but I've never noticed the tickbox or the warning next to
it.   Just now I did and by golly there is a tickbox called "Unblock". 
>
>The status line down there indicates "the user has downloaded an unclean file
>from the Internet, we will show this status until the user tells
>us the program is clean". That is what the tick box is for.

That sounds like just what I would have needed.  I only looked at maybe
3 webpages to figure out how to get around this, and one had several
posters, and when I saw the CMD box suggestion I stoppped looking, but
at least none that I did see mentioned the tickbox.  6 points for you.
No, 7. 

>*******
>
>Based on having so many questions about Eudora, let us see what files
>Paul has accumulated.

My Eudora is working just fine now.  In the other thread I told how I
had not installed the C++ files it needed.  On previous computers, they
were already there, so I didn't have to install them, but because this
refurbished box has had the drive scrubbed and windows reinstalled, they
weren't. 

I got it from a sourceforge page, but others can also get it at
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=vcredist+exe+download

Micky

> Directory of S:\Eudora
>         .
>Sun, 01/28/2024  07:59 PM        16,993,736 Eudora_7.1.0.9.exe        <=== we will check this for the tick box
>Sun, 01/28/2024  07:56 PM         3,830,985 Eudora_71_User_Manual.zip
>Sun, 01/28/2024  07:54 PM            30,127 Readme-First-Eudora-71.txt
>
>Name: Eudora_7.1.0.9.exe
>Size: 16,993,736 bytes (16 MiB)
>SHA256: 96AEC8EA618E34F0DEEEA67854D01CBA97EE99CC3080517D385D901E58CB4EB4
>
>Now, let us look at the status of the file. How "dirty" is it ?
>Yes, there is a box to tick. Because it was downloaded by a browser
>in Zone 3.
>
>    [Picture]
>
>     https://i.postimg.cc/P5Fpt4Qm/eudora-download-status.gif
>
>*******
>
>Inside Eudora is this:
>
>Name: EudoraProject.msi
>Size: 1,505,280 bytes (1470 KiB)
>SHA256: 758D662360F9DFA04F029D32237E1943533C9E51717D5E824677342135AB2CFA
>
>Sun, 02/23/2025  12:55 PM         1,505,280 EudoraProject.msi
>Tue, 03/18/2003  09:20 PM         1,060,864 mfc71.dll    \
>Tue, 03/18/2003  09:12 PM         1,047,552 mfc71u_dll    \___ I didn't extract these properly, I just wanted
>Tue, 03/18/2003  08:14 PM           499,712 msvcp71.dll   /    the names for the forensic info. It looks
>Fri, 02/21/2003  04:42 AM           348,160 msvcr71.dll  /     like an old copy of Visual Studio runtimes.
>
>I'm doing that much, to show you that copying the files isn't sufficient...
>unless those DLLs happen to be in the folder with your installed executable.
>If those happened to be installed in System32 for example, you might easily
>miss them. There is a proper way to extract all of that file, but
>I'm not taking it all apart. You should be able to use the installer
>to install it (and its payloads).
>
>   Paul

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#182516

On 02/23/2025 11:27 AM, micky wrote:
> 3) Can't copy files, (updated files to make Eudora work slightly
> better), toC:\Programs\Eudora.  Is this the same problem as problem 2
> above?   Is it that only installation programs can move or copy files
> into a Programs sub-directory?  And what makes an installation program
> move/copy different from a File manager move/copy?  If I write a bat
> file to move/copy these files, would that work?  Or does it have to be
> compiled?

When saving files in Program Folders a popup shows saying administrative 
permission are required write to the folder.   However at least in 
Windows 10 clicking Continue will complete the save process.

Based on my experience with Window 10, only the program files are placed 
in the Program folders.  The data the program uses is stored in a folder 
called:
C:\Users\logged-in-user-name\AppData\Roaming\i.e. -Mozilla


I have a program that has problems similar to what you experienced with 
Endora.   The program is called T-Clock and adds a lot of functionality 
the the toolbar clock.  It also  allows for multiple date/time displays 
and copying the time and/or date in several formats to any open program 
on the computer.

While it runs on my HP,  it will not run on my Dell computer similarly 
configured.  I miss its convenience on the Dell.

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#182554

In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Sun, 23 Feb 2025 13:39:10 -0500, knuttle
<keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On 02/23/2025 11:27 AM, micky wrote:
>> 3) Can't copy files, (updated files to make Eudora work slightly
>> better), toC:\Programs\Eudora.  Is this the same problem as problem 2
>> above?   Is it that only installation programs can move or copy files
>> into a Programs sub-directory?  And what makes an installation program
>> move/copy different from a File manager move/copy?  If I write a bat
>> file to move/copy these files, would that work?  Or does it have to be
>> compiled?
>
>When saving files in Program Folders a popup shows saying administrative 
>permission are required write to the folder.   However at least in 
>Windows 10 clicking Continue will complete the save process.

I see you're posting from win11, so I suppose you mean in Win11, but I
say, Not all the time. 

To spoil the ending, I did it with DOS, but before then....

I get that popup with the button, Continue with the logo of Admistrator,
and I click on it, but a step or two later, it tells me it can't be
done. 

When I usad a 3rd party file manager, it said, "Do you want th is
program of unknown author to change your computer?" and after I said
yes, it said "Need special permission"

So I used MS File Explorer and googled to find out how to open a second
copy and did it with that, and got the same negative results. 

Finally I did it in DOS box with elevated powers (not sure if I needed
elevation.) 
>
>Based on my experience with Window 10, only the program files are placed 
>in the Program folders. 

But this was ProgramS, with an S, that I created myself. 

> The data the program uses is stored in a folder 
>called:
>C:\Users\logged-in-user-name\AppData\Roaming\i.e. -Mozilla
>
>
>I have a program that has problems similar to what you experienced with 
>Endora.   The program is called T-Clock and adds a lot of functionality 
>the the toolbar clock.  It also  allows for multiple date/time displays 
>and copying the time and/or date in several formats to any open program 
>on the computer.
>
>While it runs on my HP,  it will not run on my Dell computer similarly 
>configured.  I miss its convenience on the Dell.

This one is a Dell too. 

Amazing that it should be so different. 

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#182520

micky wrote on 2/23/2025 9:27 AM:
> Three Windows problems, unrelated to Eudora, that happened along the way
> when trying to update Eudora,
> 
> The install program, Eudora_7.1.0.9, that I have used 5 or 10 times
> since 2010, would not work.  Message said "blocked by an administrator".
> I'm the only administrator. No way provided to override. 

Right click the installer .exe or.msi file, select properties, then 
uncheck the item that indicates 'Unblock'

> Downloaded
> another copy from a trusted source (apparently some have adware in them)
> and got same message.
See above, same process, same necessary steps.

    Tried a) setting it to run as administrator, b)
> increasing permissions from the file's Properties screen, and c) turning
> off UAC (including restarting Windows after doing that). Nothing worked.
  These steps were not necessary.

> Finally read a suggestion to start a CMD box with administrative powers
> and run the installer from there. That worked fine.

Sometimes an option that works, sometimes not. Easier to 'Unblock' in the 
installer file's properties.

> One person suggested I change the settings to allow non-MS programs to
> be run, but they were already set to from Anywhere, which appears to be
> the default since my other two computers are set that way, and I never
> changed them.
The other person apparently did not mention or was unaware that the 
file's installer properties needed to be 'Unblocked'

> 
> How was this file blocked?  Is it on a list of "bad programs" or is
> there something in the file that Windows looks for and decides it should
> be blocked?
  See above
  No list of 'bad' programs
  Nothing in the program being looked(for).
> 
> What other files are blocked?   And would this have happened in win10?
> Well I know it wouldn't because I ran this very program in two win10
> boxes, about a year ago.
  Win10 same? Yes.
> 
> 2) Can't create a subdirectory, no matter what name I choose, in
> C:\Programs.  This is not Program Files or Program Files (x86) and I
> thought the name would mean nothing special to Windows, but is
> C:\Programs now a protected directory?

Did you manually create(on Win11 now or prior before updating to Win11 
from an earlier os in the past or copy from somewher else(other device, 
other Windows) the C:\Programs folder???

C:\Programs is not a main system folder for programs in Win11.
  - The three folders in the root directory are Program Files, Program 
Files, Program Files (x86)
  - There is a subfolder in the logged on user's AppData\Local folder 
with the name 'Programs.
   => you should avoid making any changes to that folder


> 
> 3) Can't copy files, (updated files to make Eudora work slightly
> better), to C:\Programs\Eudora.  Is this the same problem as problem 2
> above?   Is it that only installation programs can move or copy files
> into a Programs sub-directory? 
See above answer to #2.


-- 
...w¡ñ§±¤ñ

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#182556

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sun, 23 Feb 2025 12:10:03 -0700,
...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:

>micky wrote on 2/23/2025 9:27 AM:
>> Three Windows problems, unrelated to Eudora, that happened along the way
>> when trying to update Eudora,
>> 
>> The install program, Eudora_7.1.0.9, that I have used 5 or 10 times
>> since 2010, would not work.  Message said "blocked by an administrator".
>> I'm the only administrator. No way provided to override. 
>
>Right click the installer .exe or.msi file, select properties, then 
>uncheck the item that indicates 'Unblock'

That probably would have worked.  I didn't know Blocked files existed
until Paul told me (even though I've downloaded install files from
Geeks, etc. but maybe that was before Blocked files were implemented in
win10.) 
>
>> Downloaded
>> another copy from a trusted source (apparently some have adware in them)
>> and got same message.
>See above, same process, same necessary steps.
>
>    Tried a) setting it to run as administrator, b)
>> increasing permissions from the file's Properties screen, and c) turning
>> off UAC (including restarting Windows after doing that). Nothing worked.
>  These steps were not necessary.
>
>> Finally read a suggestion to start a CMD box with administrative powers
>> and run the installer from there. That worked fine.
>
>Sometimes an option that works, sometimes not. Easier to 'Unblock' in the 
>installer file's properties.

I'll know for next time. 

>> One person suggested I change the settings to allow non-MS programs to
>> be run, but they were already set to from Anywhere, which appears to be
>> the default since my other two computers are set that way, and I never
>> changed them.
>The other person apparently did not mention or was unaware that the 
>file's installer properties needed to be 'Unblocked'

Yes, one or the other. 

>> 
>> How was this file blocked?  Is it on a list of "bad programs" or is
>> there something in the file that Windows looks for and decides it should
>> be blocked?
>  See above
>  No list of 'bad' programs
>  Nothing in the program being looked(for).
>> 
>> What other files are blocked?   And would this have happened in win10?
>> Well I know it wouldn't because I ran this very program in two win10
>> boxes, about a year ago.
>  Win10 same? Yes.
>> 
>> 2) Can't create a subdirectory, no matter what name I choose, in
>> C:\Programs.  This is not Program Files or Program Files (x86) and I
>> thought the name would mean nothing special to Windows, but is
>> C:\Programs now a protected directory?
>
>Did you manually create(on Win11 now or prior before updating to Win11 
>from an earlier os in the past or copy from somewher else(other device, 
>other Windows) the C:\Programs folder???

Manually created Programs in Win11, just before I copied Forte Agent and
Eudora program files to it from win10.  Since then I've installed other
programs to that directory, if the installer lets me choose. 

To spoil the ending, I made the new directory using DOS. I wasted too
much time trying other thigns. 

>C:\Programs is not a main system folder for programs in Win11.
>  - The three folders in the root directory are Program Files, Program 
>Files, Program Files (x86)

That's what I thought. 

>  - There is a subfolder in the logged on user's AppData\Local folder 
>with the name 'Programs.
>   => you should avoid making any changes to that folder

I don't.  I copy some files out for backup but that is all. 
>
>
>> 
>> 3) Can't copy files, (updated files to make Eudora work slightly
>> better), to C:\Programs\Eudora.  Is this the same problem as problem 2
>> above?   Is it that only installation programs can move or copy files
>> into a Programs sub-directory? 
>See above answer to #2.

I've temporarily given up on the new subdirectory for Programs (It was
only to hold Wordpad files (in case an update to win11 erased my
Wordpad, which I have read will happen) and Eudora files (that are a
trifle better than what I have, and they seem so far away in the
Downloads file.) 

But I still want to copy those Eudora files (that are a year newer,
somewhat longer, and supposed to be better than the ones I have) so....

 WinAero Tweaker and turned off "Block downloaded files".   Do I have to
close the Tweaker for it to take effect?   Do I have to restart Windows?
.  I did both, downloaded Pete Macleans files again, and this time the
zip file was not blocked, But I still I couldn't copy them in using a
3-rd party file manager.  I changed to MS File Explorer (even though I
think 3rd parties just format the same machine language commands?)  and
it didnt work any better. (In both cases it has a button for
Adminstrator permission, but later it still refuses.)

I've got Eudora working with SourceForge files, so most of what follows
is only about Pete Maclean's files, and since everything seems fine, I
think I can live without them if my questions are too time-consuming or
whatever.

Finally used DOS and XCopy to copy in new files.  Worked fine. 

The permissions for my Programs/Eudora folder permitted everything but
the top line, Full Control (and the bottom line, Special Permissions). I
checked the Full Control line  (even though I don't know what that would
add, since Modify, Read & Execute, Read, and Write were already checked)
and then  tried to Apply the change, and it complained over and over
that I had not done this for each and every file in the directory. Was I
instead supposed to change the permissions on the 4 Pete files I'm
attempting to copy in, instead of the destination folder?


Then or maybe earlier, I went to Aero Tweaker and disabled Smart Screen,
restarted Windows, and then checked the tweaker again and it was not
disabled after all.  I did it again and this time just clicked on
another line in the tweaker, and when I went back to Disable Smart
Screen, it was again unchecked.  No point in restarting windows if it'
it's not checked anymore.

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#182615

micky wrote on 2/25/2025 4:20 PM:
> In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sun, 23 Feb 2025 12:10:03 -0700,
> ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Right click the installer .exe or.msi file, select properties, then
>> uncheck the item that indicates 'Unblock'
> 
> That probably would have worked.  I didn't know Blocked files existed
> until Paul told me (even though I've downloaded install files from
> Geeks, etc. but maybe that was before Blocked files were implemented in
> win10.)
   Blocked files and the executable file Properties 'Unblock' 
option/feature has been present, at least, for 23 yrs. - Windows XP.
>>
>> Did you manually create(on Win11 now or prior before updating to Win11
>>from an earlier os in the past or copy from somewher else(other device, 
>> other Windows) the C:\Programs folder???
> 
> Manually created Programs in Win11, just before I copied Forte Agent and
> Eudora program files to it from win10.  Since then I've installed other
> programs to that directory, if the installer lets me choose.
> 
> To spoil the ending, I made the new directory using DOS. I wasted too
> much time trying other thigns.
> 
>> C:\Programs is not a main system folder for programs in Win11.
>>   - The three folders in the root directory are Program Files, Program
>> Files, Program Files (x86)
> 
> That's what I thought.
  Small typo on my part. Program Files, Program Files (x86), and 
***ProgramData***
> 
> 
> I've temporarily given up on the new subdirectory for Programs (It was
> only to hold Wordpad files (in case an update to win11 erased my
> Wordpad, which I have read will happen) and Eudora files (that are a
> trifle better than what I have, and they seem so far away in the
> Downloads file.)

If you've imaged yor drive before Win11 24H2 on Win11 23H2 or Win10(as 
has been suggested by many others in this group on topics related to 
imaging, Macrium, Acronis, and other imaging/backup programs) then 
restoring WordPad(which W11 24H2 does remove) is restorable.
  => requires a small amount of effort but achievable. A variety of 
methods are available from sources that have proven sucessful results.
e.g.
 
<https://www.ghacks.net/2024/10/07/how-to-restore-the-wordpad-text-editor-in-windows-11/>

 
<https://www.pcworld.com/article/2376881/how-to-get-wordpad-back-windows-11-24h2.html>

Optionally, one could copy the three necessary files from a pre 24H2 
imge(same files/folders noted in the above articles) to the same folder 
locations present in Win11 23H2 and earlier o/s(those folders remain in 
24H2, but not the files) but doing so requires more technical 
expertise(taking ownership, permissions, and returning ownership to the 
default Win11 design(System, TrustedInstaller)
  - i.e. imo, something that should only be done, after creating a 24H2 
image backup and full and complete knowledge of what/how to do so and 
return the impacted permissions/ownership to design intent.
  => Based on your past history of questions and results, I would not 
recommend you pursue this path.



-- 
...w¡ñ§±¤ñ

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#182624

In message <vpqjj5$3963e$1@dont-email.me>, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ 
<winstonmvp@gmail.com> writes
<big snip>
> Small typo on my part. Program Files, Program Files (x86), and 
>***ProgramData***

Talking of typos, I've been wondering whether the "proglems" in the 
thread title was a typo or a brilliant new coinage to indicate software 
issues. Or maybe it's a word that's been around for a while and I've 
just never encountered it before?
-- 
John Hall
                "I look upon it, that he who does not mind his belly,
                 will hardly mind anything else."
                                            Dr Samuel Johnson (1709-84)

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#182665

On 28/02/2025 9:05 pm, John Hall wrote:
> In message <vpqjj5$3963e$1@dont-email.me>, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ 
> <winstonmvp@gmail.com> writes
> <big snip>
>> Small typo on my part. Program Files, Program Files (x86), and 
>> ***ProgramData***
> 
> Talking of typos, I've been wondering whether the "proglems" in the 
> thread title was a typo or a brilliant new coinage to indicate software 
> issues. Or maybe it's a word that's been around for a while and I've 
> just never encountered it before?

.... Or has someone made some "PROGress with some probLEMS"?? ;-P
-- 
Daniel70

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#182839

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Thu, 27 Feb 2025 13:57:07 -0700,
...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:

>micky wrote on 2/25/2025 4:20 PM:
>> In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sun, 23 Feb 2025 12:10:03 -0700,
>> ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Right click the installer .exe or.msi file, select properties, then
>>> uncheck the item that indicates 'Unblock'
>> 
>> That probably would have worked.  I didn't know Blocked files existed
>> until Paul told me (even though I've downloaded install files from
>> Geeks, etc. but maybe that was before Blocked files were implemented in
>> win10.)
>   Blocked files and the executable file Properties 'Unblock' 
>option/feature has been present, at least, for 23 yrs. - Windows XP.

I never came across this problem before, and I've installed Eudora, for
one, in XP, Vista, and win10, with no problem, the very same file
(copied over) that would not install in win11.  I've installed programs
I got from Geek-whatever and other 3rd party sites, and even in win11,
Everything, Firefox, and Powerdesk.  
>>>
>>> Did you manually create(on Win11 now or prior before updating to Win11
>>>from an earlier os in the past or copy from somewher else(other device, 
>>> other Windows) the C:\Programs folder???
>> 
>> Manually created Programs in Win11, just before I copied Forte Agent and
>> Eudora program files to it from win10.  Since then I've installed other
>> programs to that directory, if the installer lets me choose.
>> 
>> To spoil the ending, I made the new directory using DOS. I wasted too
>> much time trying other thigns.
>> 
>>> C:\Programs is not a main system folder for programs in Win11.
>>>   - The three folders in the root directory are Program Files, Program
>>> Files, Program Files (x86)
>> 
>> That's what I thought.
>  Small typo on my part. Program Files, Program Files (x86), and 
>***ProgramData***
>> 
>> 
>> I've temporarily given up on the new subdirectory for Programs (It was
>> only to hold Wordpad files (in case an update to win11 erased my
>> Wordpad, which I have read will happen) and Eudora files (that are a
>> trifle better than what I have, and they seem so far away in the
>> Downloads file.)
>
>If you've imaged yor drive before Win11 24H2 on Win11 23H2 or Win10(as 
>has been suggested by many others in this group on topics related to 
>imaging, Macrium, Acronis, and other imaging/backup programs) then 
>restoring WordPad(which W11 24H2 does remove) is restorable.

Good.  Yes, I have copies. 

>  => requires a small amount of effort but achievable. A variety of 
>methods are available from sources that have proven sucessful results.
>e.g.
> 
><https://www.ghacks.net/2024/10/07/how-to-restore-the-wordpad-text-editor-in-windows-11/>
>
> 
><https://www.pcworld.com/article/2376881/how-to-get-wordpad-back-windows-11-24h2.html>

Great.  But I still don't undestand why MS dropped it.  They also one
time dropped the simple version of Solitaire, sol.exe, but that was
simple to copy from a previous computer. 

>Optionally, one could copy the three necessary files from a pre 24H2 
>imge(same files/folders noted in the above articles) to the same folder 
>locations present in Win11 23H2 and earlier o/s(those folders remain in 
>24H2, but not the files) but doing so requires more technical 
>expertise(taking ownership, permissions, and returning ownership to the 
>default Win11 design(System, TrustedInstaller)

You're making my head spin. 

>  - i.e. imo, something that should only be done, after creating a 24H2 
>image backup and full and complete knowledge of what/how to do so and 
>return the impacted permissions/ownership to design intent.
>  => Based on your past history of questions and results, I would not 
>recommend you pursue this path.

I'm not nearly as weak on this stuff as people here seem to imagine, but
what you just described IS something I don't want to try. 

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