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Re: 3 new proglems, probably in Win 11 only.

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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sun, 23 Feb 2025 13:07:15 -0500, Paul
<nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

>On Sun, 2/23/2025 11:27 AM, micky wrote:
>> Three Windows problems, unrelated to Eudora, that happened along the way
>> when trying to update Eudora, 
>> 
>> Only for win11 or did I somehow not encounter them in win10? 
>> 
>> 1) I copied over all the Eudora files from a working computer, and
>> that's enough to make it work, but in order for Eudora to be in the list
>> of installed programs, so that it can be set to be the program that gets
>> called when one clicks on an email address in a web browser, for
>> example, it has to be installed too. 
>> 
>> The install program, Eudora_7.1.0.9, that I have used 5 or 10 times
>> since 2010, would not work.  Message said "blocked by an administrator".
>> I'm the only administrator.  No way provided to override.  Downloaded
>> another copy from a trusted source (apparently some have adware in them)
>> and got same message.   Tried a) setting it to run as administrator, b)
>> increasing permissions from the file's Properties screen, and c) turning
>> off UAC (including restarting Windows after doing that). Nothing worked.
>> Finally read a suggestion to start a CMD box with administrative powers
>> and run the installer from there. That worked fine.
>> 
>> One person suggested I change the settings to allow non-MS programs to
>> be run, but they were already set to from Anywhere, which appears to be
>> the default since my other two computers are set that way, and I never
>> changed them. 
>> 
>> How was this file blocked?  Is it on a list of "bad programs" or is
>> there something in the file that Windows looks for and decides it should
>> be blocked? 
>> 
>> What other files are blocked?   And would this have happened in win10?
>> Well I know it wouldn't because I ran this very program in two win10
>> boxes, about a year ago.  
>> 
>> 2) Can't create a subdirectory, no matter what name I choose, in
>> C:\Programs.  This is not Program Files or Program Files (x86) and I
>> thought the name would mean nothing special to Windows, but is
>> C:\Programs now a protected directory? 
>> 
>> 3) Can't copy files, (updated files to make Eudora work slightly
>> better), to C:\Programs\Eudora.  Is this the same problem as problem 2
>> above?   Is it that only installation programs can move or copy files
>> into a Programs sub-directory?  And what makes an installation program
>> move/copy different from a File manager move/copy?  If I write a bat
>> file to move/copy these files, would that work?  Or does it have to be
>> compiled?  
>> 
>> The first time I used a 3rd-party file manager, so I switched to File
>> Explorer.  Either way, first it wants one to click on the button with
>> the Administrator logo (and you think doing this means you're home free)
>> then the moving graph starts and after one program has seemingly moved,
>> according to the graph, it again complains, iirc that it doesn't know
>> the author of the files I want to copy, or maybe that's just a side
>> comment and no reason is given, and provides no suggested alternative to
>> copy them.  Way to go, MS!
>> 
>> I have a feeling, and I'll try it later, I could get around problems 2
>> and 3 in the same way I did problem 1, in a CMD box (with elevated
>> powers??).  If so, does MS ever tell people about this limitation and
>> how to get around it?  Or they just leave people in a quandary? 
>> 
>> It's a good thing I still know DOS commands. I bet anyone under 50
>> doesn't know them, probably doesn't even know DOS exists, and that's
>> most people. So what do they do?  
>> 
>
>Do you ever do Properties on the files you download from the Internet ?
>
>What do you notice ?
>
>The tick box at the bottom ?

I often look at file properties, and that must have included files I
downloaded, but I've never noticed the tickbox or the warning next to
it.   Just now I did and by golly there is a tickbox called "Unblock". 
>
>The status line down there indicates "the user has downloaded an unclean file
>from the Internet, we will show this status until the user tells
>us the program is clean". That is what the tick box is for.

That sounds like just what I would have needed.  I only looked at maybe
3 webpages to figure out how to get around this, and one had several
posters, and when I saw the CMD box suggestion I stoppped looking, but
at least none that I did see mentioned the tickbox.  6 points for you.
No, 7. 

>*******
>
>Based on having so many questions about Eudora, let us see what files
>Paul has accumulated.

My Eudora is working just fine now.  In the other thread I told how I
had not installed the C++ files it needed.  On previous computers, they
were already there, so I didn't have to install them, but because this
refurbished box has had the drive scrubbed and windows reinstalled, they
weren't. 

I got it from a sourceforge page, but others can also get it at
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=vcredist+exe+download

Micky

> Directory of S:\Eudora
>         .
>Sun, 01/28/2024  07:59 PM        16,993,736 Eudora_7.1.0.9.exe        <=== we will check this for the tick box
>Sun, 01/28/2024  07:56 PM         3,830,985 Eudora_71_User_Manual.zip
>Sun, 01/28/2024  07:54 PM            30,127 Readme-First-Eudora-71.txt
>
>Name: Eudora_7.1.0.9.exe
>Size: 16,993,736 bytes (16 MiB)
>SHA256: 96AEC8EA618E34F0DEEEA67854D01CBA97EE99CC3080517D385D901E58CB4EB4
>
>Now, let us look at the status of the file. How "dirty" is it ?
>Yes, there is a box to tick. Because it was downloaded by a browser
>in Zone 3.
>
>    [Picture]
>
>     https://i.postimg.cc/P5Fpt4Qm/eudora-download-status.gif
>
>*******
>
>Inside Eudora is this:
>
>Name: EudoraProject.msi
>Size: 1,505,280 bytes (1470 KiB)
>SHA256: 758D662360F9DFA04F029D32237E1943533C9E51717D5E824677342135AB2CFA
>
>Sun, 02/23/2025  12:55 PM         1,505,280 EudoraProject.msi
>Tue, 03/18/2003  09:20 PM         1,060,864 mfc71.dll    \
>Tue, 03/18/2003  09:12 PM         1,047,552 mfc71u_dll    \___ I didn't extract these properly, I just wanted
>Tue, 03/18/2003  08:14 PM           499,712 msvcp71.dll   /    the names for the forensic info. It looks
>Fri, 02/21/2003  04:42 AM           348,160 msvcr71.dll  /     like an old copy of Visual Studio runtimes.
>
>I'm doing that much, to show you that copying the files isn't sufficient...
>unless those DLLs happen to be in the folder with your installed executable.
>If those happened to be installed in System32 for example, you might easily
>miss them. There is a proper way to extract all of that file, but
>I'm not taking it all apart. You should be able to use the installer
>to install it (and its payloads).
>
>   Paul

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3 new proglems, probably in Win 11 only.  micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-02-23 11:27 -0500
  Re: 3 new proglems, probably in Win 11 only. Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-23 13:07 -0500
    Re: 3 new proglems, probably in Win 11 only. micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-02-23 13:42 -0500
  Re: 3 new proglems, probably in Win 11 only. knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-23 13:39 -0500
    Re: 3 new proglems, probably in Win 11 only. micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-02-25 18:15 -0500
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