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Re: 3 new proglems, probably in Win 11 only.

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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sun, 23 Feb 2025 12:10:03 -0700,
...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:

>micky wrote on 2/23/2025 9:27 AM:
>> Three Windows problems, unrelated to Eudora, that happened along the way
>> when trying to update Eudora,
>> 
>> The install program, Eudora_7.1.0.9, that I have used 5 or 10 times
>> since 2010, would not work.  Message said "blocked by an administrator".
>> I'm the only administrator. No way provided to override. 
>
>Right click the installer .exe or.msi file, select properties, then 
>uncheck the item that indicates 'Unblock'

That probably would have worked.  I didn't know Blocked files existed
until Paul told me (even though I've downloaded install files from
Geeks, etc. but maybe that was before Blocked files were implemented in
win10.) 
>
>> Downloaded
>> another copy from a trusted source (apparently some have adware in them)
>> and got same message.
>See above, same process, same necessary steps.
>
>    Tried a) setting it to run as administrator, b)
>> increasing permissions from the file's Properties screen, and c) turning
>> off UAC (including restarting Windows after doing that). Nothing worked.
>  These steps were not necessary.
>
>> Finally read a suggestion to start a CMD box with administrative powers
>> and run the installer from there. That worked fine.
>
>Sometimes an option that works, sometimes not. Easier to 'Unblock' in the 
>installer file's properties.

I'll know for next time. 

>> One person suggested I change the settings to allow non-MS programs to
>> be run, but they were already set to from Anywhere, which appears to be
>> the default since my other two computers are set that way, and I never
>> changed them.
>The other person apparently did not mention or was unaware that the 
>file's installer properties needed to be 'Unblocked'

Yes, one or the other. 

>> 
>> How was this file blocked?  Is it on a list of "bad programs" or is
>> there something in the file that Windows looks for and decides it should
>> be blocked?
>  See above
>  No list of 'bad' programs
>  Nothing in the program being looked(for).
>> 
>> What other files are blocked?   And would this have happened in win10?
>> Well I know it wouldn't because I ran this very program in two win10
>> boxes, about a year ago.
>  Win10 same? Yes.
>> 
>> 2) Can't create a subdirectory, no matter what name I choose, in
>> C:\Programs.  This is not Program Files or Program Files (x86) and I
>> thought the name would mean nothing special to Windows, but is
>> C:\Programs now a protected directory?
>
>Did you manually create(on Win11 now or prior before updating to Win11 
>from an earlier os in the past or copy from somewher else(other device, 
>other Windows) the C:\Programs folder???

Manually created Programs in Win11, just before I copied Forte Agent and
Eudora program files to it from win10.  Since then I've installed other
programs to that directory, if the installer lets me choose. 

To spoil the ending, I made the new directory using DOS. I wasted too
much time trying other thigns. 

>C:\Programs is not a main system folder for programs in Win11.
>  - The three folders in the root directory are Program Files, Program 
>Files, Program Files (x86)

That's what I thought. 

>  - There is a subfolder in the logged on user's AppData\Local folder 
>with the name 'Programs.
>   => you should avoid making any changes to that folder

I don't.  I copy some files out for backup but that is all. 
>
>
>> 
>> 3) Can't copy files, (updated files to make Eudora work slightly
>> better), to C:\Programs\Eudora.  Is this the same problem as problem 2
>> above?   Is it that only installation programs can move or copy files
>> into a Programs sub-directory? 
>See above answer to #2.

I've temporarily given up on the new subdirectory for Programs (It was
only to hold Wordpad files (in case an update to win11 erased my
Wordpad, which I have read will happen) and Eudora files (that are a
trifle better than what I have, and they seem so far away in the
Downloads file.) 

But I still want to copy those Eudora files (that are a year newer,
somewhat longer, and supposed to be better than the ones I have) so....

 WinAero Tweaker and turned off "Block downloaded files".   Do I have to
close the Tweaker for it to take effect?   Do I have to restart Windows?
.  I did both, downloaded Pete Macleans files again, and this time the
zip file was not blocked, But I still I couldn't copy them in using a
3-rd party file manager.  I changed to MS File Explorer (even though I
think 3rd parties just format the same machine language commands?)  and
it didnt work any better. (In both cases it has a button for
Adminstrator permission, but later it still refuses.)

I've got Eudora working with SourceForge files, so most of what follows
is only about Pete Maclean's files, and since everything seems fine, I
think I can live without them if my questions are too time-consuming or
whatever.

Finally used DOS and XCopy to copy in new files.  Worked fine. 

The permissions for my Programs/Eudora folder permitted everything but
the top line, Full Control (and the bottom line, Special Permissions). I
checked the Full Control line  (even though I don't know what that would
add, since Modify, Read & Execute, Read, and Write were already checked)
and then  tried to Apply the change, and it complained over and over
that I had not done this for each and every file in the directory. Was I
instead supposed to change the permissions on the 4 Pete files I'm
attempting to copy in, instead of the destination folder?


Then or maybe earlier, I went to Aero Tweaker and disabled Smart Screen,
restarted Windows, and then checked the tweaker again and it was not
disabled after all.  I did it again and this time just clicked on
another line in the tweaker, and when I went back to Disable Smart
Screen, it was again unchecked.  No point in restarting windows if it'
it's not checked anymore.

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3 new proglems, probably in Win 11 only.  micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-02-23 11:27 -0500
  Re: 3 new proglems, probably in Win 11 only. Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-23 13:07 -0500
    Re: 3 new proglems, probably in Win 11 only. micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-02-23 13:42 -0500
  Re: 3 new proglems, probably in Win 11 only. knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-23 13:39 -0500
    Re: 3 new proglems, probably in Win 11 only. micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-02-25 18:15 -0500
  Re: 3 new proglems, probably in Win 11 only. ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-02-23 12:10 -0700
    Re: 3 new proglems, probably in Win 11 only. micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-02-25 18:20 -0500
      Re: 3 new proglems, probably in Win 11 only. ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-02-27 13:57 -0700
        Re: 3 new proglems, probably in Win 11 only. John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> - 2025-02-28 10:05 +0000
          Re: 3 new proglems, probably in Win 11 only. Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-03-01 19:58 +1100
        Re: 3 new proglems, probably in Win 11 only. micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-03-10 10:27 -0400

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