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  Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot YK <youkidding@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-29 11:13 -0400
    Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot Bill <nonegiven@att.net> - 2022-07-29 11:39 -0400
      Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot YK <youkidding@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-29 12:07 -0400
        Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> - 2022-07-29 19:02 +0200
        Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2022-07-29 20:01 +0200
        Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot Bill <nonegiven@att.net> - 2022-07-29 23:02 -0400
    Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2022-07-29 13:49 -0400
      Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot YK <youkidding@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-30 01:49 -0400
        Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2022-07-30 14:54 -0400
          Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot YK <youkidding@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-30 19:22 -0400
    Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2022-07-29 19:59 +0200
      Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot YK <youkidding@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-30 02:05 -0400
        Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot Bill <nonegiven@att.net> - 2022-07-30 03:00 -0400
          Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot YK <youkidding@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-30 04:59 -0400
            Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot Bill <nonegiven@att.net> - 2022-07-30 05:06 -0400
              Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot FromTheRafters <erratic@nomail.afraid.org> - 2022-07-30 10:59 -0500
                Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot Bill <nonegiven@att.net> - 2022-07-31 03:39 -0400
                  Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2022-07-31 05:15 -0400
        Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2022-07-31 11:52 +0200
          Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot YK <youkidding@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-31 10:30 -0400
            Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2022-07-31 17:22 +0200
              Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot YK <youkidding@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-31 20:14 -0400
                Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2022-07-31 22:30 -0400
                  Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2022-07-31 23:20 -0400
                    Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2022-08-01 10:07 +0200
                      Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot YK <youkidding@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-02 02:30 -0400
                        Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2022-08-04 09:04 +0200
                          Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot YK <youkidding@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-09 00:53 -0400
                            Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2022-08-09 09:21 +0200
                              Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot YK <youkidding@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-11 16:22 -0400
                                Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot Bill <nonegiven@att.net> - 2022-08-11 18:45 -0400
                                  Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot Bill <nonegiven@att.net> - 2022-08-11 22:36 -0400
                                Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2022-08-12 10:08 +0200
                            Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2022-08-09 05:32 -0400
                    Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot YK <youkidding@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-01 13:44 -0400
                      Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2022-08-01 20:06 -0500
                Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> - 2022-08-02 06:26 +0200
                  Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot YK <youkidding@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-02 02:25 -0400
                    Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot dillinger <dillinger@invalid.not> - 2022-08-03 06:41 +0200
                    Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2022-08-03 01:28 -0400
            Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot shemp13@outlook.com - 2022-07-31 15:22 +0000
              Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot YK <youkidding@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-31 20:14 -0400
                Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2022-08-01 06:33 -0700
            Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2022-07-31 15:02 -0400
              Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot YK <youkidding@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-31 19:53 -0400
                Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2022-07-31 22:28 -0400
                  Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot YK <youkidding@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-01 14:22 -0400
                    Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot YK <youkidding@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-01 14:34 -0400
                      Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2022-08-01 16:03 -0400
                        Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot YK <youkidding@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-01 23:45 -0400
                Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2022-08-01 10:10 +0200
    Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-30 01:26 -0700
      Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot YK <youkidding@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-30 05:07 -0400
        Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot FromTheRafters <erratic@nomail.afraid.org> - 2022-07-30 10:57 -0500
          Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-30 16:52 -0700
        Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-30 16:59 -0700
    Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot Philip Herlihy <PhillipHerlihy@SlashDevNull.invalid> - 2022-07-30 13:13 +0100
      Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot YK <youkidding@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-30 12:19 -0400
    Re: Basic computer questions about graphics card fan & computer keyboard reboot "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2022-07-30 17:14 -0400

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#1684

On 31-Jul-2022, YK <youkidding@yahoo.com> wrote:

< snip >.
>
> Even the 1GB of memory is the same as mine. BTW, why is it called
> EVGA NVIDIA GeForce 210? What's the EVGA mean?
>

EVGA is the manufacturer of the graphics card. nVidia and ATI are graphic
chip manufacturers.

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#1688

On 7/31/2022 11:22 AM, shemp13@outlook.com wrote:
>> Even the 1GB of memory is the same as mine. BTW, why is it called
>> EVGA NVIDIA GeForce 210? What's the EVGA mean?
>>
> 
> EVGA is the manufacturer of the graphics card. nVidia and ATI are graphic
> chip manufacturers.

Ug. That explains why I kept running searches and I could find a lot of
Nvidia GeForce 210 cards but none looked the same as mine. 

I thought EVGA was another copycat brand so I was removing the EVGA (using
"-EVGA" in the images.google.com search) by mistake! :-<

With the new search I find there are many with the same heat sink pins
https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-01G-P3-1312-LR-GeForce-Graphic-Card/dp/B01NAOMJPY
But that one has the capacitors and crystal & coil in the wrong spots.

This one has the two capacitors surrounding the crystal with no coil
visible with 1R0 & 1R2 black things which is exactly just like mine is.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/165454337289

A new graphics card at Walmart is $140 which seems high for a 2009 design.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/EVGA-01G-P3-1313-KR-GeForce-210-Graphic-Card-520-MHz-Core-1-GB-DDR3-SDRAM-PCI-Express-2-0-x16-DVI-I-output-By-Visit-the-EVGA-Store/433634603

New should be more like $70 which it is here for the exact card as mine
https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-DirectX-Express-01G-P3-1302-LR/dp/B017O2Z146

Used seems to be about $15 but I can't imagine buying a used graphics card.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/115338604625

Thank you for explaining that EVGA belongs in the search!

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#1694

On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 20:14:45 -0400, YK <youkidding@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On 7/31/2022 11:22 AM, shemp13@outlook.com wrote:
>>> Even the 1GB of memory is the same as mine. BTW, why is it called
>>> EVGA NVIDIA GeForce 210? What's the EVGA mean?
>>>
>> 
>> EVGA is the manufacturer of the graphics card. nVidia and ATI are graphic
>> chip manufacturers.
>
>Ug. That explains why I kept running searches and I could find a lot of
>Nvidia GeForce 210 cards but none looked the same as mine. 
>
>I thought EVGA was another copycat brand so I was removing the EVGA (using
>"-EVGA" in the images.google.com search) by mistake! :-<
>
>With the new search I find there are many with the same heat sink pins
>https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-01G-P3-1312-LR-GeForce-Graphic-Card/dp/B01NAOMJPY
>But that one has the capacitors and crystal & coil in the wrong spots.
>
>This one has the two capacitors surrounding the crystal with no coil
>visible with 1R0 & 1R2 black things which is exactly just like mine is.
>https://www.ebay.com/itm/165454337289
>
>A new graphics card at Walmart is $140 which seems high for a 2009 design.
>https://www.walmart.com/ip/EVGA-01G-P3-1313-KR-GeForce-210-Graphic-Card-520-MHz-Core-1-GB-DDR3-SDRAM-PCI-Express-2-0-x16-DVI-I-output-By-Visit-the-EVGA-Store/433634603
>
>New should be more like $70 which it is here for the exact card as mine
>https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-DirectX-Express-01G-P3-1302-LR/dp/B017O2Z146
>
>Used seems to be about $15 but I can't imagine buying a used graphics card.
>https://www.ebay.com/itm/115338604625


If it were me, I'd buy the used card. Of all the components of a
computer, the one I'd have the least worry about its not working would
be a graphics card. If it died, you wouldn't lose any data. Especially
in your case; if it died you could put the old one back and be out
only $15.

I have  a graphics card that I bought refurbished in my computer. I
paid around $30 for it and it's been fine.

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#1685

On 7/31/2022 10:30 AM, YK wrote:
> On 7/31/2022 10:52 AM, Marco Moock wrote:
>>> Can I pop the fan+heatsink off somehow using those four plastic posts?
>>
>> Yes, you can. Use pliers and scrunch them. Be careful. Then you can
>> push them out.
> 
> I might have to. It's scary though. Do they all come out at once or
> separately? They seem to have some kind of strong spring inside them as
> they pop up a little when I press on the bottom and then they pop back.
> 
> The oil doesn't seem to have made any difference so it's probably gummed up
> inside. It spins but only a turn or maybe not even that when I spit it
> without power. When I spin it with power, it hesitates and then starts
> spinning under power, like the old hand spun airplane propellers do in the
> movies.
> 
> I don't know if that's normal or not.

There's some pictures of push pins here.

https://www.radianheatsinks.com/heatsink-push-pins/

    "The compression spring presses the heatsink to the device being cooled"

On overclockers.net, someone suggests nail clippers
for a tool. The purpose of the nail clipper, is
to get a "grip" on the tip of the forked pin, so you can
push upwards on the pin. But without cutting the
end off it (you do not want to "work" the nail clips
in the normal way, just use the nail clips as a "pusher").
You would need a nail clipper with a relatively flat face
and not a lot of curve to it.

The problem with using most tools (twelve different
pairs of pliers), is the danger of slipping off the
pin and damaging an SMT component.

And these pins are different than Intel "rotate-able"
push pins, which use a different mechanism for fastening.

Even if you were to cut the top-side "flat" head off
the pin, without damaging the spring, the act of cutting
the material leaves a burr at the cut line, and the
burr will not go through the hole in the PCB either.

They really are a bitch to deal with.

    Paul

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#1686

On 7/31/2022 8:02 PM, Paul wrote:
> There's some pictures of push pins here.
> 
> https://www.radianheatsinks.com/heatsink-push-pins/
> 
>     "The compression spring presses the heatsink to the device being cooled"

Thank you for that phantom diagram because it sure seemed like there were 
springs inside. I'm worried if I pull out the plugs that the bottom plastic 
tabs will shear off and then I will need new spring clips.

I guess I could use nylon bolts with nylon nuts but if they work, why would 
they have used the complicated spring clips in the first place?

Interestingly after I oiled the fan it didn't seem to work at first 
yesterday but today the temperate is a steady 52 degrees C (125 F) which is 
an improvement over what it was just a couple of days ago.

Maybe some oil seeped into the (maybe they were) sealed bearings?
What's a normal temperature supposed to be for a low end graphics card?

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#1689

On 7/31/2022 7:53 PM, YK wrote:
> On 7/31/2022 8:02 PM, Paul wrote:
>> There's some pictures of push pins here.
>>
>> https://www.radianheatsinks.com/heatsink-push-pins/
>>
>>     "The compression spring presses the heatsink to the device being cooled"
> 
> Thank you for that phantom diagram because it sure seemed like there were springs inside. I'm worried if I pull out the plugs that the bottom plastic tabs will shear off and then I will need new spring clips.
> 
> I guess I could use nylon bolts with nylon nuts but if they work, why would they have used the complicated spring clips in the first place?
> 
> Interestingly after I oiled the fan it didn't seem to work at first yesterday but today the temperate is a steady 52 degrees C (125 F) which is an improvement over what it was just a couple of days ago.
> 
> Maybe some oil seeped into the (maybe they were) sealed bearings?
> What's a normal temperature supposed to be for a low end graphics card?

Considering the nature of the sink, 52C is pretty good.

The sink on my cheesy GTX1050 Ti is currently 32C (Task Manager tab).
I could probably get the power usage from GPUZ (techspot). My card
doesn't even have a 2x3 power extension cable, so power cannot be over 65W.

 From a hardware perspective, stay clear of 100C (212F).
The substrate on the GPU does not like temps higher than that.
In the old days, the silicon was good to 135C for 100,000 hours,
but I do not have a figure for modern small-geometry silicon.
The 135C figure was from the cell-library guy at our fab.
He claimed there is a parametric shift if you run the
silicon over 135C for too long. The doping moves around sorta.

Sure, you can use Nylon66 nuts and bolts from the fastener store
(we have such a store here), but those melt above 50C or so.
I would not apply a lot of stress to a bolt like that. The heatsink
is not 52C at the moment, and the heatsink is a lot cooler. The
GPU would need to get a lot warmer (like the 100C number), before
the heatsink would get even close to melting a nylon bolt. So yes,
you can use nylon, just don't torque to the moon. Nylon also gets
brittle from UV light.

    Paul

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#1696

On 7/31/2022 10:28 PM, Paul wrote:
> Considering the nature of the sink, 52C is pretty good.
> 
> The sink on my cheesy GTX1050 Ti is currently 32C (Task Manager tab).

Using your picture site this is what the power is right now with nothing
going on other than typing up this message.

> I could probably get the power usage from GPUZ (techspot). My card
> doesn't even have a 2x3 power extension cable, so power cannot be over 65W.

How do you get the watts?

Is this where you got GPU-Z?
https://www.techpowerup.com/download/techpowerup-gpu-z/

It doesn't say how many watts.

>  From a hardware perspective, stay clear of 100C (212F).

It was a lot hotter before I cleaned and oiled it but it's still not
spinning up at the beginning until I spin it once with my finger.

I was using MSI Afterburner to graph things but here's a comparison of MSI
Afterburner & GPU-Z Graphics Card tab information
https://i.postimg.cc/wxmPZjS3/Clipboard1069.jpg

And comparison of MSI Afterburner & GPU-Z Sensors tab information
https://i.postimg.cc/wj6G1c3s/Clipboard1068.jpg

MSI Afterburner enables the fan curve to be changed but I'm afraid to touch
it. https://www.msi.com/Landing/afterburner/graphics-cards

> The substrate on the GPU does not like temps higher than that.
> In the old days, the silicon was good to 135C for 100,000 hours,
> but I do not have a figure for modern small-geometry silicon.

Mine is TSMC 40nm according to the GPU-Z "lookup" button I pressed.
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/evga-geforce-210-1-gb.b5581

> The 135C figure was from the cell-library guy at our fab.
> He claimed there is a parametric shift if you run the
> silicon over 135C for too long. The doping moves around sorta.
> 
> Sure, you can use Nylon66 nuts and bolts from the fastener store
> (we have such a store here), but those melt above 50C or so.
> I would not apply a lot of stress to a bolt like that. The heatsink
> is not 52C at the moment, and the heatsink is a lot cooler. The
> GPU would need to get a lot warmer (like the 100C number), before
> the heatsink would get even close to melting a nylon bolt. So yes,
> you can use nylon, just don't torque to the moon. Nylon also gets
> brittle from UV light.

Good point that the temperature is of the chip and not of the board.
I just set the fan speed at 100% with MSI Afterburner to see what it does
but it doesn't make any difference (so far anyway).

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#1697

On 8/1/2022 2:22 PM, YK wrote:
> I just set the fan speed at 100% with MSI Afterburner to see what it does
> but it doesn't make any difference (so far anyway).

Counter intuitively, when I set the fan speed to 100%, the temp immediately
went up 10 degrees C (from 52C to 62C in just a couple of minutes) and then
it leveled off at about 62C to 63C so I have to set it back to automatic
(but I don't understand why that happened as it's the opposite of expected
behavior).

https://i.postimg.cc/8Pk8qSDv/Clipboard1070.jpg

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#1698

On 8/1/2022 2:34 PM, YK wrote:
> On 8/1/2022 2:22 PM, YK wrote:
>> I just set the fan speed at 100% with MSI Afterburner to see what it does
>> but it doesn't make any difference (so far anyway).
> 
> Counter intuitively, when I set the fan speed to 100%, the temp immediately
> went up 10 degrees C (from 52C to 62C in just a couple of minutes) and then
> it leveled off at about 62C to 63C so I have to set it back to automatic
> (but I don't understand why that happened as it's the opposite of expected
> behavior).
> 
> https://i.postimg.cc/8Pk8qSDv/Clipboard1070.jpg

Typically, the tiny fans have no tacho (2-wire), so you can't tell
what the rate of rotation is. Some of the bigger video card
fans, the 80mm or 90mm ones, have tacho (3-wire).

The power readout on video cards, did not always exist.
It's part of a newer set of power state controls NVidia added.
These might have come after Geforce 210.

The video cards now have "PerfCap" and that is a
state variable. It has values like Idle, VRel, and so on.

    vRel = Reliability. Indicating performance is limited by voltage reliability.
    VOp  = Operating. Indicating performance is limited by max operating voltage(Hardware Limit).
    Pwr  = Power. Indicating performance is limited by total power limit.
    Thrm = Thermal. Indicating performance is limited by temperature limit.
    Util = Utilization. Indicating performance is limited by GPU utilization.

In the example here, the Smoke Particle demo doesn't
use all the card resources, so it runs high clocks and high volts
and not a lot of amps. That is "Vrel" due to the volts limitation.
Whereas Furmark (only demoed on one card) is power limited, so
the clock isn't as high, and the status is "Pwr".

    [Picture]

    https://i.postimg.cc/N0BMZcBr/GPUZ-summary.gif

This is runtime optimization of the card, by the driver.

    Paul

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#1700

On 8/1/2022 2:03 PM, Paul wrote:
> Typically, the tiny fans have no tacho (2-wire), so you can't tell
> what the rate of rotation is.

I didn't think of looking for the number of wires going to the fan but I
see now there are only two (the red and black twisted wires).
https://i.postimg.cc/Vv3j94LW/Clipboard1065.jpg

BTW I figured out how to get to the BIOS (it was F10 during the initial
boot process) which shows that the BIOS from 2009 has a setting for
"Primary Video Adapter" with only two options.
PCI-E x16
Onboard

The funny thing is that if I boot with the video output on the onboard
video connectors, the screen is driven by the motherboard graphics but if I
boot with the video connectors on the graphics card, the monitor is driven
by that. 

So I don't know why they even have that primary video adapter BIOS option.

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#1693

Am Sonntag, 31. Juli 2022, um 19:53:55 Uhr schrieb YK:

> Thank you for that phantom diagram because it sure seemed like there
> were springs inside. I'm worried if I pull out the plugs that the
> bottom plastic tabs will shear off and then I will need new spring
> clips.
> 
> I guess I could use nylon bolts with nylon nuts but if they work, why
> would they have used the complicated spring clips in the first place?

You don't need new pushpins if you remove them correctly, see here:
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=WGSVXCCYak4

You can use tweezers or pointed pliers to do it. You can then reuse the
pushpins, I already did that many times.

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#1666

On 7/29/22 08:13, YK wrote:
> Basic computer questions (1) Is there a "shutdown" or "reboot" keyboard 
> sequence?

<ctrl><r> shutdown /s /f /t 00
<ctrl><r> shutdown /r /f /t 00

If that does not work, press the power button in
for one second

If that does not work, press the power buttom in
for five or more seconds

> (2) How does Windows know which graphics output to use?

BIOS tells it.  You can configure it a POST

> (3) How do you lubricate a sticking graphics card fan?

You can't. You have to replace the card.  It suck.  No
way around it.


> Why doesn't switching the monitor cable from the graphics card output to
> the motherboard output not work? How does the computer know which output to
> use at any given time?

BIOS tells the OS what monitor to use.  You may have a
processor without graphics on it.  Find your CPU model
number and look it up before changing to it in BIOS.

If BIOS is set to "auto", you can remove your graphics
car and see what happends


> 
> Should I put a few drops of sewing machine oil into the fan spindle?
> (if I can get the fan housing off the graphics card that is)

*NO*.  It will spray oil all around your motherboard.
The bearings are sealed.

> 
> Is there a magic keyboard sequence that will reboot a PC that is running
> but whose display is blind?
> 

Type in the blind:
<ctrl><r> shutdown /r /f /t 00

Or try the power button suggestions above.

PNY and EVGA make good graphic cards.  I prefer PNY.

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#1669

On 7/30/2022 4:26 AM, T wrote:
> <ctrl><r> shutdown /s /f /t 00
> <ctrl><r> shutdown /r /f /t 00

That's close but how do you "unfocus" the mouse pointer outside of whatever
application it happens to be inside of?

> BIOS tells it.  You can configure it a POST

My BIOS is old, from 2009, but I'll check it at the next boot as I have to
figure out if it's a F10, Escape, F9, whatever, to get into it to look.

> 
>> (3) How do you lubricate a sticking graphics card fan?
> 
> You can't. You have to replace the card.  It suck.  No
> way around it.

Must be a way. It has bolts & screws. I was lining up my ducks before
tackling them though. Maybe a fan can't be replaced but I hope it can
because if it can be replaced, I can get gravity to feed the spindle
even if the bearings are sealed.

> BIOS tells the OS what monitor to use.  You may have a
> processor without graphics on it.  Find your CPU model
> number and look it up before changing to it in BIOS.

Motherboard has an ATI Radeon HD 4200. I'll check out the BIOS which hasn't
been updated for ten years or more since it was made in 2009.

> If BIOS is set to "auto", you can remove your graphics
> car and see what happens.

I'll try that.
Thanks.

> Type in the blind:
> <ctrl><r> shutdown /r /f /t 00

Is there a way to make the mouse lose focus of whatever app it's inside of?

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#1671

YK used his or her keyboard to write :

>> <ctrl><r> shutdown /s /f /t 00
>> <ctrl><r> shutdown /r /f /t 00
> 
> That's close but how do you "unfocus" the mouse pointer outside of whatever
> application it happens to be inside of?

It's not a keyboard combination, but instead of Control+R, you can use
Windows+R which should pull the focus away from being inside an app.

SHUTDOWN <windows><r> shutdown /s /f /t 00
REBOOT   <windows><r> shutdown /r /f /t 00

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#1677

On 7/30/22 08:57, FromTheRafters wrote:
> YK used his or her keyboard to write :
> 
>>> <ctrl><r> shutdown /s /f /t 00
>>> <ctrl><r> shutdown /r /f /t 00
>>
>> That's close but how do you "unfocus" the mouse pointer outside of 
>> whatever
>> application it happens to be inside of?
> 
> It's not a keyboard combination, but instead of Control+R, you can use
> Windows+R which should pull the focus away from being inside an app.
> 
> SHUTDOWN <windows><r> shutdown /s /f /t 00
> REBOOT   <windows><r> shutdown /r /f /t 00


oops, Rafters caused my booboo.  It is <Win><R> not <Ctrl><R>

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#1678

On 7/30/22 02:07, YK wrote:
> On 7/30/2022 4:26 AM, T wrote:
>> <ctrl><r> shutdown /s /f /t 00
>> <ctrl><r> shutdown /r /f /t 00

Substitute <Win> for <Ctrl>.  My booboo


>> BIOS tells it.  You can configure it a POST
> 
> My BIOS is old, from 2009, but I'll check it at the next boot as I have to
> figure out if it's a F10, Escape, F9, whatever, to get into it to look.

Keep in mind that your graphic controllers are
actually TWO controllers.  One is a universal
VGA controller (what you see at post) and the
other one is the fancy high definition controller
that loads with the OS.

> 
>>
>>> (3) How do you lubricate a sticking graphics card fan?
>>
>> You can't. You have to replace the card.  It suck.  No
>> way around it.
> 
> Must be a way. It has bolts & screws. I was lining up my ducks before
> tackling them though. Maybe a fan can't be replaced but I hope it can
> because if it can be replaced, I can get gravity to feed the spindle
> even if the bearings are sealed.

Some of the way older units, you could do that.

But, in the numerous graphic card issues I have
fixed, once they overheat, they are unreliable
after that.  I have NEVER had a card work
reliably after I replaced the fan and the
card overheated.  Just replace the card.

> 
>> BIOS tells the OS what monitor to use.  You may have a
>> processor without graphics on it.  Find your CPU model
>> number and look it up before changing to it in BIOS.
> 
> Motherboard has an ATI Radeon HD 4200. I'll check out the BIOS which hasn't
> been updated for ten years or more since it was made in 2009.
> 
>> If BIOS is set to "auto", you can remove your graphics
>> car and see what happens.
> 
> I'll try that.
> Thanks.
> 
>> Type in the blind:
>> <ctrl><r> shutdown /r /f /t 00

<Win>

> 
> Is there a way to make the mouse lose focus of whatever app it's inside of?

<Win><R> will override it

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#1670

In article <tc0tdp$1q6o$1@gioia.aioe.org>, YK wrote...
> 
> Basic computer questions 
> (1) Is there a "shutdown" or "reboot" keyboard sequence?
> 
> Is there a magic keyboard sequence that will reboot a PC that is running
> but whose display is blind?

Try:
WINKEY + D  (show desktop)
then:
Alt+F4 +Enter  (shutdown whatever has focus)

-- 

Phil, London

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#1673

On 7/30/2022 7:13 AM, Philip Herlihy wrote:
> WINKEY + D  (show desktop)
> then:
> Alt+F4 +Enter  (shutdown whatever has focus)

That works the best so far!

WINDOWS+D (to switch focus to the desktop)
ALT+F4 to get to a pre-defined list of "Shut Down Windows" options
(1) Shut down
(2) Switch user
(3) Sign out
(4) Sleep
(5) Restart

I will check if it remembers the options but just hitting
the ENTER key as you suggested should work because the mouse
focus seems to be on the OK key in that shut down dialog box.

It's even better than remembering this combination.
(1) WINDOWS+R shutdown /s /f /t 00
(2) WINDOWS+R shutdown /r /f /t 00

Unfortunately, the Control-Alt-Delete salute only gives these options
(1) Lock
(2) Switch user
(3) Sign out 
(4) Change a password
(5) Task Manager
You can probably remember the arrow key combinations to activate them, 
but NONE of them are what you want so you have to use the on-screen power
button in the bottom right of the screen.

And then in that bottom right corner are more options under an on-screen
power button but you will never be able see them to manipulate the choices.
(6) Sleep
(7) Shutdown
(8) Restart

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#1675

YK wrote:
> Turning the monitor on and off or wiggling cables and removing them and
> attaching another monitor or even switching the cables from the graphics
> card to the motherboard graphics output doesn't change that the graphics
> card seems to have shut down all monitor output until the next reboot.
> 
> MSI Afterburner tells the graphics card is an NVidia "GeForce 210 on
> GT218 GPU"
> 
> Why doesn't switching the monitor cable from the graphics card output to
> the motherboard output not work? How does the computer know which output to
> use at any given time?
> 
> Should I put a few drops of sewing machine oil into the fan spindle?
> (if I can get the fan housing off the graphics card that is)

Worked on a a system with a GeForce GT 240 with a stuck fan which would
overheat and lock up a system. It was a EVGA GT 240 with a special fan.
Oiling did not work and replacement was more $$ than the damn card was
worth. All I did for a hack was to remove the shroud on the heatsink and
took a old cpu fan 40 or 50mm from an old Pentium 1 or AMD 486 heatsink
and just used screws to the heatsink fins to secure the fan. Worked
while I found a replacement card.

-- 
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

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