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| Started by | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| First post | 2015-07-31 04:00 -0400 |
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Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-07-31 04:00 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-07-31 07:08 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-01 07:29 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-07-31 10:17 -0600
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-01 07:32 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-31 16:38 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-01 07:32 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-02 09:56 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-02 11:27 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-02 08:51 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-02 12:40 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-02 16:18 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-02 18:23 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-02 16:17 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-02 10:39 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-02 11:51 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-02 12:04 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-08-02 12:18 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-02 14:01 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-08-02 15:05 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-02 16:12 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Don Martin <drdonmartin@comcast.net> - 2015-08-02 15:32 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-02 16:18 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-08-02 10:15 -0600
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Don Martin <drdonmartin@comcast.net> - 2015-08-02 14:02 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-02 16:19 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-08-03 03:11 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-03 09:04 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-03 16:42 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-03 18:39 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-04 15:01 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-04 15:36 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-05 13:55 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-03 17:56 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-04 15:02 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-04 18:54 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-05 13:57 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-05 12:56 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-06 19:27 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-06 17:44 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 05:23 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-07 16:46 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-06 05:04 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-07 16:49 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-08 04:12 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-08 13:17 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-09 04:48 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-09 09:41 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-10 05:11 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-11 12:51 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-12 03:19 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-05 04:44 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-05 13:59 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Tim" <me@rsabc.com> - 2015-08-06 04:57 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-07 16:50 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Tim" <me@rsabc.com> - 2015-08-08 06:37 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-06 05:06 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-07 16:51 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-08 04:19 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-08 13:19 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-09 04:54 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-09 09:46 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-10 05:15 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-11 12:53 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-12 03:15 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-06 01:10 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-06 20:42 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-06 22:28 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-06 23:07 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-06 23:14 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-06 23:45 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-07 09:18 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-07 05:16 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-07 16:19 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-07 22:21 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-07 22:26 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-08 09:46 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-08 04:57 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-08-08 08:32 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-09 14:58 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-08 18:12 +0200
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-08 13:13 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 16:13 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-09 08:16 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-08 13:11 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-08-08 14:06 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-08-08 14:58 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-09 04:38 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-07 00:00 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-07 05:19 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-07 12:22 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-07 15:42 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-08-07 15:48 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-08 04:26 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-08 09:42 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-09 04:58 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-09 12:59 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-10 05:21 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-11 12:54 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-09 13:14 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-07 16:53 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-08 04:31 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-08 13:20 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-09 05:00 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-09 09:47 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-10 05:22 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-11 12:55 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-12 03:17 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Tim" <me@rsabc.com> - 2015-08-10 06:33 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-08-10 04:48 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-11 12:56 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-04 05:16 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-04 15:03 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-05 04:46 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-05 14:00 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-06 05:07 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-07 16:53 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-08 04:35 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-08 13:20 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-09 05:00 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-09 09:48 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-10 05:23 -0400
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2015-08-09 04:54 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <hv4esalk46telejbmg7952m6mmnc6is65l@4ax.com> |
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On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 13:19:05 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in alt.atheism with message-id <pthcsa1qp81s6n2i2ccjpekv9k2loqptda@4ax.com> wrote: >On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 04:19:13 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: > >>On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 16:51:42 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >>alt.atheism with message-id >><b1aasa588bg2g87ihj51edvvk5bio3kbaf@4ax.com> wrote: >> >>>On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 05:06:52 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: >>> >>>>On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 13:59:37 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >>>>alt.atheism with message-id >>>><s4n4sapjfaebpm0nr1ct0vqt4bbf7huigd@4ax.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>>On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 04:44:41 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >>>>>>alt.atheism with message-id >>>>>><9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote: >>>>>>>>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred. Same difference. No eye >>>>>>>>> witnesses to testify. Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, >>>>>>>>> etc. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>What 3rd party verification. I have the same types of verification for Jesus >>>>>>>Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc. >>>>> >>>>>>What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or >>>>>>indirectly, with your bible? >>>>> >>>>>You don't have a clue as to what I have >>>> >>>>So you say, and refuse to elaborate. >>> >>>We people of God outnumber you atheist 25:1 >> >>Which means what? Numbers alone prove something? > >Just wanted you to know that you are clearly in a minority. So what? It isn't the first time. And I am in good company. Many people were in a minority when they first took a position, and were later shown to be correct. Sometimes a minority of one. > >>As I have frequently asked and you of course have never answered - >>does that mean back when your superstition was just starting out and >>only a few people had even heard of it does that mean the numbers >>involved made it invalid? >>Just how many does it take to 'prove' a superstition is valid? > >I would say the answer is one (1). Amusing. That would make every superstition valid wouldn't it? Why do you keep mentioning my position is in a minority and most people disagree with me when it only takes one to "validate" something? >> >>> >>>>> nor how it is found in the bible. >>> >>>>You evidently can't understand that what is found in that source DOES >>>>NOT MATTER! >>> >>>Not to you that want nothing to do with God. >> >>Because it has never been validated as far as what it says is >>concerned. How does anyone know it's contents are not pure mythology? >>After all, a lot of it is a bit unlikely, and physically impossible. > -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass. Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government guaranteed above average income for every person. Every illegal alien is a criminal. No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason. Deportation upon identification as the only option. If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly before you run into me.
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| From | duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-09 09:46 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <6mpesatddc86osfghkug9om4tmqilj6f0v@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #1956325 |
On Sun, 09 Aug 2015 04:54:24 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: >On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 13:19:05 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >alt.atheism with message-id ><pthcsa1qp81s6n2i2ccjpekv9k2loqptda@4ax.com> wrote: > >>On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 04:19:13 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: >> >>>On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 16:51:42 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >>>alt.atheism with message-id >>><b1aasa588bg2g87ihj51edvvk5bio3kbaf@4ax.com> wrote: >>> >>>>On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 05:06:52 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: >>>> >>>>>On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 13:59:37 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >>>>>alt.atheism with message-id >>>>><s4n4sapjfaebpm0nr1ct0vqt4bbf7huigd@4ax.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 04:44:41 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >>>>>>>alt.atheism with message-id >>>>>>><9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred. Same difference. No eye >>>>>>>>>> witnesses to testify. Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, >>>>>>>>>> etc. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>What 3rd party verification. I have the same types of verification for Jesus >>>>>>>>Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc. >>>>>> >>>>>>>What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or >>>>>>>indirectly, with your bible? >>>>>> >>>>>>You don't have a clue as to what I have >>>>> >>>>>So you say, and refuse to elaborate. >>>> >>>>We people of God outnumber you atheist 25:1 >>> >>>Which means what? Numbers alone prove something? >> >>Just wanted you to know that you are clearly in a minority. > >So what? It isn't the first time. Nor the last. >And I am in good company. Many people were in a minority when they >first took a position, and were later shown to be correct. Sometimes >a minority of one. And I rest my case on my correct position. >>>As I have frequently asked and you of course have never answered - >>>does that mean back when your superstition was just starting out and >>>only a few people had even heard of it does that mean the numbers >>>involved made it invalid? >>>Just how many does it take to 'prove' a superstition is valid? >> >>I would say the answer is one (1). Nope, but as you said, all it takes is one sometimes. >Amusing. That would make every superstition valid wouldn't it? >Why do you keep mentioning my position is in a minority and most >people disagree with me when it only takes one to "validate" >something? All depends on what you're trying to validate. >>>>>> nor how it is found in the bible. >>>> >>>>>You evidently can't understand that what is found in that source DOES >>>>>NOT MATTER! >>>> >>>>Not to you that want nothing to do with God. >>> >>>Because it has never been validated as far as what it says is >>>concerned. How does anyone know it's contents are not pure mythology? >>>After all, a lot of it is a bit unlikely, and physically impossible. I have the same validity of evidence for the cross as you have or the American Revolution. - artifacts, documents, paintings, etc. But no live witnesses, videos, tv cameras, etc. the dukester, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI *****
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2015-08-10 05:15 -0400 |
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On Sun, 09 Aug 2015 09:46:50 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in alt.atheism with message-id <6mpesatddc86osfghkug9om4tmqilj6f0v@4ax.com> wrote: >On Sun, 09 Aug 2015 04:54:24 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: > >>On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 13:19:05 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >>alt.atheism with message-id >><pthcsa1qp81s6n2i2ccjpekv9k2loqptda@4ax.com> wrote: >> >>>On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 04:19:13 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: >>> >>>>On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 16:51:42 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >>>>alt.atheism with message-id >>>><b1aasa588bg2g87ihj51edvvk5bio3kbaf@4ax.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>>On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 05:06:52 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 13:59:37 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >>>>>>alt.atheism with message-id >>>>>><s4n4sapjfaebpm0nr1ct0vqt4bbf7huigd@4ax.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 04:44:41 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >>>>>>>>alt.atheism with message-id >>>>>>>><9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred. Same difference. No eye >>>>>>>>>>> witnesses to testify. Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, >>>>>>>>>>> etc. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>What 3rd party verification. I have the same types of verification for Jesus >>>>>>>>>Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or >>>>>>>>indirectly, with your bible? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>You don't have a clue as to what I have >>>>>> >>>>>>So you say, and refuse to elaborate. >>>>> >>>>>We people of God outnumber you atheist 25:1 >>>> >>>>Which means what? Numbers alone prove something? >>> >>>Just wanted you to know that you are clearly in a minority. >> >>So what? It isn't the first time. > >Nor the last. Nope. I don't expect it to be. > >>And I am in good company. Many people were in a minority when they >>first took a position, and were later shown to be correct. Sometimes >>a minority of one. > >And I rest my case on my correct position. Nope. You are still wrong. I would point out you were the one who tried to use numbers to support your unsupportable position. > > >>>>As I have frequently asked and you of course have never answered - >>>>does that mean back when your superstition was just starting out and >>>>only a few people had even heard of it does that mean the numbers >>>>involved made it invalid? >>>>Just how many does it take to 'prove' a superstition is valid? >>> >>>I would say the answer is one (1). > >Nope, but as you said, all it takes is one sometimes. Then why did you introduce numbers as if those alone proved you assertion to be correct? > >>Amusing. That would make every superstition valid wouldn't it? > >>Why do you keep mentioning my position is in a minority and most >>people disagree with me when it only takes one to "validate" >>something? > >All depends on what you're trying to validate. No, it doesn't. > >>>>>>> nor how it is found in the bible. >>>>> >>>>>>You evidently can't understand that what is found in that source DOES >>>>>>NOT MATTER! >>>>> >>>>>Not to you that want nothing to do with God. >>>> >>>>Because it has never been validated as far as what it says is >>>>concerned. How does anyone know it's contents are not pure mythology? >>>>After all, a lot of it is a bit unlikely, and physically impossible. > >I have the same validity of evidence for the cross as you have or the American >Revolution. - artifacts, documents, paintings, etc. But no live witnesses, >videos, tv cameras, etc. > Covered elsewhere. -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass. Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government guaranteed above average income for every person. Every illegal alien is a criminal. No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason. Deportation upon identification as the only option. If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly before you run into me.
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| From | duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-11 12:53 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <6hdksa9ei1456majqjlithmd5l0iuu88uu@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #1957014 |
On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 05:15:08 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: >On Sun, 09 Aug 2015 09:46:50 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >alt.atheism with message-id ><6mpesatddc86osfghkug9om4tmqilj6f0v@4ax.com> wrote: > >>On Sun, 09 Aug 2015 04:54:24 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: >> >>>On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 13:19:05 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >>>alt.atheism with message-id >>><pthcsa1qp81s6n2i2ccjpekv9k2loqptda@4ax.com> wrote: >>> >>>>On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 04:19:13 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: >>>> >>>>>On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 16:51:42 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >>>>>alt.atheism with message-id >>>>><b1aasa588bg2g87ihj51edvvk5bio3kbaf@4ax.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 05:06:52 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 13:59:37 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >>>>>>>alt.atheism with message-id >>>>>>><s4n4sapjfaebpm0nr1ct0vqt4bbf7huigd@4ax.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 04:44:41 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >>>>>>>>>alt.atheism with message-id >>>>>>>>><9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred. Same difference. No eye >>>>>>>>>>>> witnesses to testify. Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, >>>>>>>>>>>> etc. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>What 3rd party verification. I have the same types of verification for Jesus >>>>>>>>>>Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or >>>>>>>>>indirectly, with your bible? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>You don't have a clue as to what I have >>>>>>> >>>>>>>So you say, and refuse to elaborate. >>>>>> >>>>>>We people of God outnumber you atheist 25:1 >>>>> >>>>>Which means what? Numbers alone prove something? >>>> >>>>Just wanted you to know that you are clearly in a minority. >>> >>>So what? It isn't the first time. >> >>Nor the last. > >Nope. I don't expect it to be. Then we both agree you are in the minority. >>>And I am in good company. Many people were in a minority when they >>>first took a position, and were later shown to be correct. Sometimes >>>a minority of one. >> >>And I rest my case on my correct position. > >Nope. You are still wrong. I would point out you were the one who >tried to use numbers to support your unsupportable position. Go ahead. >>>>>As I have frequently asked and you of course have never answered - >>>>>does that mean back when your superstition was just starting out and >>>>>only a few people had even heard of it does that mean the numbers >>>>>involved made it invalid? >>>>>Just how many does it take to 'prove' a superstition is valid? >>>> >>>>I would say the answer is one (1). >> >>Nope, but as you said, all it takes is one sometimes. > >Then why did you introduce numbers as if those alone proved you >assertion to be correct? To give you reason to accept that you are thus wrong. >>>Amusing. That would make every superstition valid wouldn't it? >> >>>Why do you keep mentioning my position is in a minority and most >>>people disagree with me when it only takes one to "validate" >>>something? >> >>All depends on what you're trying to validate. > >No, it doesn't. Yep. >>>>>>>> nor how it is found in the bible. >>>>>> >>>>>>>You evidently can't understand that what is found in that source DOES >>>>>>>NOT MATTER! >>>>>> >>>>>>Not to you that want nothing to do with God. >>>>> >>>>>Because it has never been validated as far as what it says is >>>>>concerned. How does anyone know it's contents are not pure mythology? >>>>>After all, a lot of it is a bit unlikely, and physically impossible. >> >>I have the same validity of evidence for the cross as you have or the American >>Revolution. - artifacts, documents, paintings, etc. But no live witnesses, >>videos, tv cameras, etc. >> >Covered elsewhere. Nope. the dukester, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI *****
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2015-08-12 03:15 -0400 |
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On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 12:53:11 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in alt.atheism with message-id <6hdksa9ei1456majqjlithmd5l0iuu88uu@4ax.com> wrote: >On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 05:15:08 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: > >>On Sun, 09 Aug 2015 09:46:50 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >>alt.atheism with message-id >><6mpesatddc86osfghkug9om4tmqilj6f0v@4ax.com> wrote: >> >>>On Sun, 09 Aug 2015 04:54:24 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: >>> >>>>On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 13:19:05 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >>>>alt.atheism with message-id >>>><pthcsa1qp81s6n2i2ccjpekv9k2loqptda@4ax.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>>On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 04:19:13 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 16:51:42 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >>>>>>alt.atheism with message-id >>>>>><b1aasa588bg2g87ihj51edvvk5bio3kbaf@4ax.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 05:06:52 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 13:59:37 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >>>>>>>>alt.atheism with message-id >>>>>>>><s4n4sapjfaebpm0nr1ct0vqt4bbf7huigd@4ax.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 04:44:41 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >>>>>>>>>>alt.atheism with message-id >>>>>>>>>><9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred. Same difference. No eye >>>>>>>>>>>>> witnesses to testify. Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, >>>>>>>>>>>>> etc. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>What 3rd party verification. I have the same types of verification for Jesus >>>>>>>>>>>Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or >>>>>>>>>>indirectly, with your bible? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>You don't have a clue as to what I have >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>So you say, and refuse to elaborate. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>We people of God outnumber you atheist 25:1 >>>>>> >>>>>>Which means what? Numbers alone prove something? >>>>> >>>>>Just wanted you to know that you are clearly in a minority. >>>> >>>>So what? It isn't the first time. >>> >>>Nor the last. >> >>Nope. I don't expect it to be. > >Then we both agree you are in the minority. Yep. So what? According to you that must make me correct. > >>>>And I am in good company. Many people were in a minority when they >>>>first took a position, and were later shown to be correct. Sometimes >>>>a minority of one. >>> >>>And I rest my case on my correct position. >> >>Nope. You are still wrong. I would point out you were the one who >>tried to use numbers to support your unsupportable position. > >Go ahead. I just did, you moron. > >>>>>>As I have frequently asked and you of course have never answered - >>>>>>does that mean back when your superstition was just starting out and >>>>>>only a few people had even heard of it does that mean the numbers >>>>>>involved made it invalid? >>>>>>Just how many does it take to 'prove' a superstition is valid? >>>>> >>>>>I would say the answer is one (1). >>> >>>Nope, but as you said, all it takes is one sometimes. >> >>Then why did you introduce numbers as if those alone proved you >>assertion to be correct? > >To give you reason to accept that you are thus wrong. So now numbers prove something? It appears you want it both ways. > >>>>Amusing. That would make every superstition valid wouldn't it? >>> >>>>Why do you keep mentioning my position is in a minority and most >>>>people disagree with me when it only takes one to "validate" >>>>something? >>> >>>All depends on what you're trying to validate. >> >>No, it doesn't. > >Yep. Of course it does. > >>>>>>>>> nor how it is found in the bible. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>You evidently can't understand that what is found in that source DOES >>>>>>>>NOT MATTER! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Not to you that want nothing to do with God. >>>>>> >>>>>>Because it has never been validated as far as what it says is >>>>>>concerned. How does anyone know it's contents are not pure mythology? >>>>>>After all, a lot of it is a bit unlikely, and physically impossible. >>> >>>I have the same validity of evidence for the cross as you have or the American >>>Revolution. - artifacts, documents, paintings, etc. But no live witnesses, >>>videos, tv cameras, etc. >>> >>Covered elsewhere. > >Nope. > Of course it was, but your denial doesn't allow you to admit it for some reason. -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass. Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government guaranteed above average income for every person. Every illegal alien is a criminal. No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason. Deportation upon identification as the only option. If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly before you run into me.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-06 01:10 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <55C31685.54A6@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #1953311 |
Attila < wrote: > > On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in > alt.atheism with message-id > <9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote: > > >On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote: > > > >>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote: > >>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred. Same difference. No eye > >>> witnesses to testify. Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, > >>> etc. > >> > >>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels. > > > >What 3rd party verification. I have the same types of verification for Jesus > >Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc. > > > > What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or > indirectly, with your bible? Direct verified accounts or 'paintings' > by people who never heard of that bible or any person or organization > connected to it? > > What 'artifacts' what are independent of such sources? > > Do you understand what 'independent' or 'verified' means? “Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works—a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2015-08-06 20:42 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <glv7sa1seaqn0ko9hfhvjhsgmj08d689ic@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #1953948 |
On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 01:10:45 -0700, The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <55C31685.54A6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >Attila < wrote: >> >> On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >> alt.atheism with message-id >> <9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote: >> >> >On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote: >> > >> >>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote: >> >>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred. Same difference. No eye >> >>> witnesses to testify. Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, >> >>> etc. >> >> >> >>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels. >> > >> >What 3rd party verification. I have the same types of verification for Jesus >> >Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc. >> > >> >> What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or >> indirectly, with your bible? Direct verified accounts or 'paintings' >> by people who never heard of that bible or any person or organization >> connected to it? >> >> What 'artifacts' what are independent of such sources? >> >> Do you understand what 'independent' or 'verified' means? > > >“Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to >call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works—a teacher of such >men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of >the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when >Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned >him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, >for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine >prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things >concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not >extinct at this day.” >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus It is the opinion of many scholars his writings were altered centuries ago to fit the necessary pattern. There is no independent verification from any other sources supporting him. -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass. Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government guaranteed above average income for every person. Every illegal alien is a criminal. No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason. Deportation upon identification as the only option. If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly before you run into me.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-06 22:28 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <55C441F1.4E46@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #1954387 |
Attila < wrote: > > On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 01:10:45 -0700, The Starmaker > <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id > <55C31685.54A6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > >Attila < wrote: > >> > >> On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in > >> alt.atheism with message-id > >> <9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote: > >> > >> >On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote: > >> > > >> >>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote: > >> >>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred. Same difference. No eye > >> >>> witnesses to testify. Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, > >> >>> etc. > >> >> > >> >>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels. > >> > > >> >What 3rd party verification. I have the same types of verification for Jesus > >> >Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc. > >> > > >> > >> What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or > >> indirectly, with your bible? Direct verified accounts or 'paintings' > >> by people who never heard of that bible or any person or organization > >> connected to it? > >> > >> What 'artifacts' what are independent of such sources? > >> > >> Do you understand what 'independent' or 'verified' means? > > > > > >“Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to > >call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works—a teacher of such > >men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of > >the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when > >Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned > >him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, > >for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine > >prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things > >concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not > >extinct at this day.” > >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus > > It is the opinion of many scholars his writings were altered centuries > ago to fit the necessary pattern. There is no independent > verification from any other sources supporting him. > I'm shocked. --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news@netfront.net ---
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-06 23:07 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <55C44B14.3BF8@ix.netcom.com> |
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The Starmaker wrote: > > Attila < wrote: > > > > On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 01:10:45 -0700, The Starmaker > > <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id > > <55C31685.54A6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > > > >Attila < wrote: > > >> > > >> On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in > > >> alt.atheism with message-id > > >> <9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote: > > >> > > >> >On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote: > > >> > > > >> >>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote: > > >> >>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred. Same difference. No eye > > >> >>> witnesses to testify. Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, > > >> >>> etc. > > >> >> > > >> >>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels. > > >> > > > >> >What 3rd party verification. I have the same types of verification for Jesus > > >> >Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc. > > >> > > > >> > > >> What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or > > >> indirectly, with your bible? Direct verified accounts or 'paintings' > > >> by people who never heard of that bible or any person or organization > > >> connected to it? > > >> > > >> What 'artifacts' what are independent of such sources? > > >> > > >> Do you understand what 'independent' or 'verified' means? > > > > > > > > >“Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to > > >call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works—a teacher of such > > >men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of > > >the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when > > >Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned > > >him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, > > >for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine > > >prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things > > >concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not > > >extinct at this day.” > > >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus > > > > It is the opinion of many scholars his writings were altered centuries > > ago to fit the necessary pattern. There is no independent > > verification from any other sources supporting him. > > > > I'm shocked. http://alivecampus.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/shocked_face.jpg
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-06 23:14 -0700 |
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The Starmaker wrote: > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > Attila < wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 01:10:45 -0700, The Starmaker > > > <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id > > > <55C31685.54A6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > > > > > >Attila < wrote: > > > >> > > > >> On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in > > > >> alt.atheism with message-id > > > >> <9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> >On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> >>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote: > > > >> >>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred. Same difference. No eye > > > >> >>> witnesses to testify. Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, > > > >> >>> etc. > > > >> >> > > > >> >>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels. > > > >> > > > > >> >What 3rd party verification. I have the same types of verification for Jesus > > > >> >Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or > > > >> indirectly, with your bible? Direct verified accounts or 'paintings' > > > >> by people who never heard of that bible or any person or organization > > > >> connected to it? > > > >> > > > >> What 'artifacts' what are independent of such sources? > > > >> > > > >> Do you understand what 'independent' or 'verified' means? > > > > > > > > > > > >“Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to > > > >call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works—a teacher of such > > > >men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of > > > >the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when > > > >Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned > > > >him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, > > > >for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine > > > >prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things > > > >concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not > > > >extinct at this day.” > > > >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus > > > > > > It is the opinion of many scholars his writings were altered centuries > > > ago to fit the necessary pattern. There is no independent > > > verification from any other sources supporting him. > > > > > > > I'm shocked. > > http://alivecampus.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/shocked_face.jpg how about this guy? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus#Tacitus_on_Christ “Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind. Mockery of every sort was added to their deaths. Covered with the skins of beasts, they were torn by dogs and perished, or were nailed to crosses, or were doomed to the flames and burnt, to serve as a nightly illumination, when daylight had expired.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus#Tacitus_on_Christ
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-06 23:45 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <55C4541A.2701@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #1954654 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > Attila < wrote: > > > > > > > > On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 01:10:45 -0700, The Starmaker > > > > <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id > > > > <55C31685.54A6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > >Attila < wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in > > > > >> alt.atheism with message-id > > > > >> <9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> >On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > >> >>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote: > > > > >> >>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred. Same difference. No eye > > > > >> >>> witnesses to testify. Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, > > > > >> >>> etc. > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels. > > > > >> > > > > > >> >What 3rd party verification. I have the same types of verification for Jesus > > > > >> >Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or > > > > >> indirectly, with your bible? Direct verified accounts or 'paintings' > > > > >> by people who never heard of that bible or any person or organization > > > > >> connected to it? > > > > >> > > > > >> What 'artifacts' what are independent of such sources? > > > > >> > > > > >> Do you understand what 'independent' or 'verified' means? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >“Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to > > > > >call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works—a teacher of such > > > > >men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of > > > > >the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when > > > > >Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned > > > > >him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, > > > > >for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine > > > > >prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things > > > > >concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not > > > > >extinct at this day.” > > > > >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus > > > > > > > > It is the opinion of many scholars his writings were altered centuries > > > > ago to fit the necessary pattern. There is no independent > > > > verification from any other sources supporting him. > > > > > > > > > > I'm shocked. > > > > http://alivecampus.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/shocked_face.jpg > > how about this guy? > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus#Tacitus_on_Christ > > “Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and > inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their > abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the > name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of > Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a > most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke > out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, > where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find > their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made > of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense > multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as > of hatred against mankind. Mockery of every sort was added to their > deaths. Covered with the skins of beasts, they were torn by dogs and > perished, or were nailed to crosses, or were doomed to the flames and > burnt, to serve as a nightly illumination, when daylight had expired.” > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus#Tacitus_on_Christ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus
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| From | bilgat@m.nu |
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| Date | 2015-08-07 09:18 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <9ff9sa50hgv2sudnjfrulmq4to4vmkh21i@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #1954658 |
On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 23:45:46 -0700, The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >The Starmaker wrote: >> >> The Starmaker wrote: >> > >> > The Starmaker wrote: and as usual we get starfart replying to himself replying to himself replying to himself <snip the crap noone reads anyway>
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2015-08-07 05:16 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <vkt8sa5nu09e1k873pubm6n51o0hk238k6@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #1954654 |
On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 23:14:48 -0700, The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <55C44CD8.3DA5@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >The Starmaker wrote: >> >> The Starmaker wrote: >> > >> > Attila < wrote: >> > > >> > > On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 01:10:45 -0700, The Starmaker >> > > <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >> > > <55C31685.54A6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> > > >> > > >Attila < wrote: >> > > >> >> > > >> On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in >> > > >> alt.atheism with message-id >> > > >> <9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote: >> > > >> >> > > >> >On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote: >> > > >> > >> > > >> >>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote: >> > > >> >>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred. Same difference. No eye >> > > >> >>> witnesses to testify. Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, >> > > >> >>> etc. >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels. >> > > >> > >> > > >> >What 3rd party verification. I have the same types of verification for Jesus >> > > >> >Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc. >> > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > >> What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or >> > > >> indirectly, with your bible? Direct verified accounts or 'paintings' >> > > >> by people who never heard of that bible or any person or organization >> > > >> connected to it? >> > > >> >> > > >> What 'artifacts' what are independent of such sources? >> > > >> >> > > >> Do you understand what 'independent' or 'verified' means? >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >“Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to >> > > >call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works—a teacher of such >> > > >men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of >> > > >the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when >> > > >Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned >> > > >him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, >> > > >for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine >> > > >prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things >> > > >concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not >> > > >extinct at this day.” >> > > >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus >> > > >> > > It is the opinion of many scholars his writings were altered centuries >> > > ago to fit the necessary pattern. There is no independent >> > > verification from any other sources supporting him. >> > > >> > >> > I'm shocked. >> >> http://alivecampus.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/shocked_face.jpg > > > >how about this guy? > >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus#Tacitus_on_Christ > > > >“Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and >inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their >abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the >name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of >Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a >most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke >out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, >where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find >their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made >of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense >multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as >of hatred against mankind. Mockery of every sort was added to their >deaths. Covered with the skins of beasts, they were torn by dogs and >perished, or were nailed to crosses, or were doomed to the flames and >burnt, to serve as a nightly illumination, when daylight had expired.” > > >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus#Tacitus_on_Christ How about him? It appears he was born after the events supposedly occurred and the major players were dead therefore the could not have seen anything himself but must have worked from third party accounts. Were these verified accounts? What were they and how were they verified? This only raises the same questions and hardly qualifies as verification itself does it? -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass. Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government guaranteed above average income for every person. Every illegal alien is a criminal. No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason. Deportation upon identification as the only option. If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly before you run into me.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-07 16:19 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <55C53D19.74FB@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #1954654 |
Kevrob wrote: > > On Friday, August 7, 2015 at 2:14:51 AM UTC-4, The Starmaker wrote: > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > Attila < wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 01:10:45 -0700, The Starmaker > > > > > <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id > > > > > <55C31685.54A6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >Attila < wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in > > > > > >> alt.atheism with message-id > > > > > >> <9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> >On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> >>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote: > > > > > >> >>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred. Same difference. No eye > > > > > >> >>> witnesses to testify. Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, > > > > > >> >>> etc. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> >What 3rd party verification. I have the same types of verification for Jesus > > > > > >> >Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or > > > > > >> indirectly, with your bible? Direct verified accounts or 'paintings' > > > > > >> by people who never heard of that bible or any person or organization > > > > > >> connected to it? > > > > > >> > > > > > >> What 'artifacts' what are independent of such sources? > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Do you understand what 'independent' or 'verified' means? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >"Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to > > > > > >call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works--a teacher of such > > > > > >men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of > > > > > >the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when > > > > > >Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned > > > > > >him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, > > > > > >for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine > > > > > >prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things > > > > > >concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not > > > > > >extinct at this day." > > > > > >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus > > > > > > > > > > It is the opinion of many scholars his writings were altered centuries > > > > > ago to fit the necessary pattern. There is no independent > > > > > verification from any other sources supporting him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm shocked. > > > > > > http://alivecampus.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/shocked_face.jpg > > > > > > > > how about this guy? > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus#Tacitus_on_Christ > > > > > > > > "Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and > > inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their > > abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the > > name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of > > Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a > > most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke > > out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, > > where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find > > their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made > > of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense > > multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as > > of hatred against mankind. Mockery of every sort was added to their > > deaths. Covered with the skins of beasts, they were torn by dogs and > > perished, or were nailed to crosses, or were doomed to the flames and > > burnt, to serve as a nightly illumination, when daylight had expired." > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus#Tacitus_on_Christ > > GoTo the 1st para @ > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus > > Born circa 56 CE Died 117 CE > > So, he was on the scene 23 years after the traditional death date for > the Nazarene, 33 CE. He wasn't a contemporary of Jesus. > > Thank you for playing. > > Kevin R 23 years??? The story of Jesus Christ...the new testament wasn't even writen until 50 years after Jesus Christ died.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-07 22:21 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <55C591CD.41E8@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #1955240 |
Kevrob wrote: > > On Friday, August 7, 2015 at 7:19:45 PM UTC-4, The Starmaker wrote: > > Kevrob wrote: > > > > > > On Friday, August 7, 2015 at 2:14:51 AM UTC-4, The Starmaker wrote: > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Attila < wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 01:10:45 -0700, The Starmaker > > > > > > > <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id > > > > > > > <55C31685.54A6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Attila < wrote: > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in > > > > > > > >> alt.atheism with message-id > > > > > > > >> <9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote: > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> >On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote: > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote: > > > > > > > >> >>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred. Same difference. No eye > > > > > > > >> >>> witnesses to testify. Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, > > > > > > > >> >>> etc. > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >What 3rd party verification. I have the same types of verification for Jesus > > > > > > > >> >Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or > > > > > > > >> indirectly, with your bible? Direct verified accounts or 'paintings' > > > > > > > >> by people who never heard of that bible or any person or organization > > > > > > > >> connected to it? > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> What 'artifacts' what are independent of such sources? > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Do you understand what 'independent' or 'verified' means? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >"Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to > > > > > > > >call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works--a teacher of such > > > > > > > >men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of > > > > > > > >the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when > > > > > > > >Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned > > > > > > > >him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, > > > > > > > >for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine > > > > > > > >prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things > > > > > > > >concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not > > > > > > > >extinct at this day." > > > > > > > >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the opinion of many scholars his writings were altered centuries > > > > > > > ago to fit the necessary pattern. There is no independent > > > > > > > verification from any other sources supporting him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm shocked. > > > > > > > > > > http://alivecampus.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/shocked_face.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how about this guy? > > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus#Tacitus_on_Christ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and > > > > inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their > > > > abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the > > > > name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of > > > > Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a > > > > most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke > > > > out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, > > > > where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find > > > > their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made > > > > of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense > > > > multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as > > > > of hatred against mankind. Mockery of every sort was added to their > > > > deaths. Covered with the skins of beasts, they were torn by dogs and > > > > perished, or were nailed to crosses, or were doomed to the flames and > > > > burnt, to serve as a nightly illumination, when daylight had expired." > > > > > > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus#Tacitus_on_Christ > > > > > > GoTo the 1st para @ > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus > > > > > > Born circa 56 CE Died 117 CE > > > > > > So, he was on the scene 23 years after the traditional death date for > > > the Nazarene, 33 CE. He wasn't a contemporary of Jesus. > > > > > > Thank you for playing. > > > > > > Kevin R > > > > > > 23 years??? > > > > The story of Jesus Christ...the new testament wasn't even writen until 50 years after Jesus Christ died. > > So what. We were talking about non-biblical verification that someone > called "Jesus" or something close to it had lived and either founded a > religion or had been the example for a religion founded by his followers. > Tacitus wasn't alive when JC was, so he would only have heard about any > Jewish Messiah after the fellow was said to have died. He isn't, as the > historians say, a primary source. That's not to say he didn't encounter > Christians in his lifetime. > > Kevin R Born circa 56 CE Died 117 CE Doesn't CE mean Before Christ?
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-07 22:26 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <55C592EB.2D7@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #1955395 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > Kevrob wrote: > > > > On Friday, August 7, 2015 at 7:19:45 PM UTC-4, The Starmaker wrote: > > > Kevrob wrote: > > > > > > > > On Friday, August 7, 2015 at 2:14:51 AM UTC-4, The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Attila < wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 01:10:45 -0700, The Starmaker > > > > > > > > <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id > > > > > > > > <55C31685.54A6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Attila < wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in > > > > > > > > >> alt.atheism with message-id > > > > > > > > >> <9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote: > > > > > > > > >> >>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred. Same difference. No eye > > > > > > > > >> >>> witnesses to testify. Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, > > > > > > > > >> >>> etc. > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >What 3rd party verification. I have the same types of verification for Jesus > > > > > > > > >> >Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or > > > > > > > > >> indirectly, with your bible? Direct verified accounts or 'paintings' > > > > > > > > >> by people who never heard of that bible or any person or organization > > > > > > > > >> connected to it? > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> What 'artifacts' what are independent of such sources? > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Do you understand what 'independent' or 'verified' means? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >"Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to > > > > > > > > >call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works--a teacher of such > > > > > > > > >men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of > > > > > > > > >the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when > > > > > > > > >Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned > > > > > > > > >him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, > > > > > > > > >for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine > > > > > > > > >prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things > > > > > > > > >concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not > > > > > > > > >extinct at this day." > > > > > > > > >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the opinion of many scholars his writings were altered centuries > > > > > > > > ago to fit the necessary pattern. There is no independent > > > > > > > > verification from any other sources supporting him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm shocked. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://alivecampus.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/shocked_face.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how about this guy? > > > > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus#Tacitus_on_Christ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and > > > > > inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their > > > > > abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the > > > > > name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of > > > > > Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a > > > > > most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke > > > > > out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, > > > > > where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find > > > > > their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made > > > > > of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense > > > > > multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as > > > > > of hatred against mankind. Mockery of every sort was added to their > > > > > deaths. Covered with the skins of beasts, they were torn by dogs and > > > > > perished, or were nailed to crosses, or were doomed to the flames and > > > > > burnt, to serve as a nightly illumination, when daylight had expired." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus#Tacitus_on_Christ > > > > > > > > GoTo the 1st para @ > > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus > > > > > > > > Born circa 56 CE Died 117 CE > > > > > > > > So, he was on the scene 23 years after the traditional death date for > > > > the Nazarene, 33 CE. He wasn't a contemporary of Jesus. > > > > > > > > Thank you for playing. > > > > > > > > Kevin R > > > > > > > > > 23 years??? > > > > > > The story of Jesus Christ...the new testament wasn't even writen until 50 years after Jesus Christ died. > > > > So what. We were talking about non-biblical verification that someone > > called "Jesus" or something close to it had lived and either founded a > > religion or had been the example for a religion founded by his followers. > > Tacitus wasn't alive when JC was, so he would only have heard about any > > Jewish Messiah after the fellow was said to have died. He isn't, as the > > historians say, a primary source. That's not to say he didn't encounter > > Christians in his lifetime. > > > > Kevin R > > Born circa 56 CE Died 117 CE > > Doesn't CE mean Before Christ? You wrote: "Tacitus wasn't alive when JC was..." The Common Era, also known as the Christian Era,[1][2] is the name of the stretch of time from somewhere around the alleged birth of Jesus Christ. Now when was Jesus born? Maybe 86 CE???
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-08 09:46 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <55C63281.18AC@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #1955396 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > Kevrob wrote: > > > > > > On Friday, August 7, 2015 at 7:19:45 PM UTC-4, The Starmaker wrote: > > > > Kevrob wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, August 7, 2015 at 2:14:51 AM UTC-4, The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Attila < wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 01:10:45 -0700, The Starmaker > > > > > > > > > <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id > > > > > > > > > <55C31685.54A6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Attila < wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in > > > > > > > > > >> alt.atheism with message-id > > > > > > > > > >> <9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> >>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred. Same difference. No eye > > > > > > > > > >> >>> witnesses to testify. Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, > > > > > > > > > >> >>> etc. > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels. > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >What 3rd party verification. I have the same types of verification for Jesus > > > > > > > > > >> >Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc. > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or > > > > > > > > > >> indirectly, with your bible? Direct verified accounts or 'paintings' > > > > > > > > > >> by people who never heard of that bible or any person or organization > > > > > > > > > >> connected to it? > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> What 'artifacts' what are independent of such sources? > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> Do you understand what 'independent' or 'verified' means? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >"Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to > > > > > > > > > >call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works--a teacher of such > > > > > > > > > >men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of > > > > > > > > > >the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when > > > > > > > > > >Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned > > > > > > > > > >him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, > > > > > > > > > >for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine > > > > > > > > > >prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things > > > > > > > > > >concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not > > > > > > > > > >extinct at this day." > > > > > > > > > >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the opinion of many scholars his writings were altered centuries > > > > > > > > > ago to fit the necessary pattern. There is no independent > > > > > > > > > verification from any other sources supporting him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm shocked. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://alivecampus.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/shocked_face.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how about this guy? > > > > > > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus#Tacitus_on_Christ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and > > > > > > inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their > > > > > > abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the > > > > > > name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of > > > > > > Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a > > > > > > most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke > > > > > > out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, > > > > > > where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find > > > > > > their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made > > > > > > of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense > > > > > > multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as > > > > > > of hatred against mankind. Mockery of every sort was added to their > > > > > > deaths. Covered with the skins of beasts, they were torn by dogs and > > > > > > perished, or were nailed to crosses, or were doomed to the flames and > > > > > > burnt, to serve as a nightly illumination, when daylight had expired." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus#Tacitus_on_Christ > > > > > > > > > > GoTo the 1st para @ > > > > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus > > > > > > > > > > Born circa 56 CE Died 117 CE > > > > > > > > > > So, he was on the scene 23 years after the traditional death date for > > > > > the Nazarene, 33 CE. He wasn't a contemporary of Jesus. > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for playing. > > > > > > > > > > Kevin R > > > > > > > > > > > > 23 years??? > > > > > > > > The story of Jesus Christ...the new testament wasn't even writen until 50 years after Jesus Christ died. > > > > > > So what. We were talking about non-biblical verification that someone > > > called "Jesus" or something close to it had lived and either founded a > > > religion or had been the example for a religion founded by his followers. > > > Tacitus wasn't alive when JC was, so he would only have heard about any > > > Jewish Messiah after the fellow was said to have died. He isn't, as the > > > historians say, a primary source. That's not to say he didn't encounter > > > Christians in his lifetime. > > > > > > Kevin R > > > > Born circa 56 CE Died 117 CE > > > > Doesn't CE mean Before Christ? > > You wrote: "Tacitus wasn't alive when JC was..." > > The Common Era, also known as the Christian Era,[1][2] is the name of > the stretch of time from somewhere around the alleged birth of Jesus > Christ. > > Now when was Jesus born? Maybe 86 CE??? Or maybe Jesus Christ was born 56 CE, in the same hospitol that Tacitus was born. It must be in the Times Roman newspaper...
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| From | talishi <talishi@example.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-08 04:57 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <mq4qtg0ecl@news6.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #1955395 |
On 08/07/2015 10:21 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > Doesn't CE mean Before Christ? It translates to AD, and we use it because we can't quite bring ourselves to say "The Year of Our Lord". Particularly since he isn't our Lord. By the same token we use BCE, Before Common Era, rather than BC, Before Christ, since we're not entirely sure there was a Christ, and even if there was, we don't think his birth was such a watershed. If I had my druthers we'd use Ab Urbe Condita and add 753 years to every date.
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| From | Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-08 08:32 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <p31csa5vhnssns2uvqmbj369sjtahp1thv@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #1955560 |
On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 04:57:29 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote: >On 08/07/2015 10:21 PM, The Starmaker wrote: >> Doesn't CE mean Before Christ? Idiot. >It translates to AD, and we use it because we can't quite bring >ourselves to say "The Year of Our Lord". Particularly since he isn't >our Lord. By the same token we use BCE, Before Common Era, rather than >BC, Before Christ, since we're not entirely sure there was a Christ, and >even if there was, we don't think his birth was such a watershed. If I >had my druthers we'd use Ab Urbe Condita and add 753 years to every date. It's actually the international standard term, because the rest of the world isn't as god-soaked.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-09 14:58 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <55C7CCFF.69BE@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #1955603 |
Kevrob wrote: > > On Saturday, August 8, 2015 at 2:03:32 PM UTC-4, Lawrence Watt-Evans wrote: > > On Sat, 8 Aug 2015 12:44:16 -0400, "J. Clarke" > > <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > >In article <83518017-2da0-4489-8010-531a44d244fa@googlegroups.com>, > > >kevrob@my-deja.com says... > > >> > > >> On Saturday, August 8, 2015 at 9:32:38 AM UTC-4, Christopher A. Lee wrote: > > >> > On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 04:57:29 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> > > >> > wrote: > > >> > > > >> > >On 08/07/2015 10:21 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > > >> > >> Doesn't CE mean Before Christ? > > >> > > > >> > Idiot. > > >> > > > >> > >It translates to AD, and we use it because we can't quite bring > > >> > >ourselves to say "The Year of Our Lord". Particularly since he isn't > > >> > >our Lord. By the same token we use BCE, Before Common Era, rather than > > >> > >BC, Before Christ, since we're not entirely sure there was a Christ, and > > >> > >even if there was, we don't think his birth was such a watershed. If I > > >> > >had my druthers we'd use Ab Urbe Condita and add 753 years to every date. > > >> > > >> The founding of Rome doesn't strike me as a better Year 1. They had > > >> their pantheon, slavery, and gave imperialism its name. > > > > > >What's wrong with a pantheon? And you say "imperialism" like it's > > >automatically bad. It is said that in the Roman Empire a virgin could > > >walk alone from Londinium to Alexandria carrying a purse of gold and > > >would arrive in Alexandria with both virginity and gold intact. Is that > > >true in our "civilized" era? > > > > a) Probably, assuming she's bright enough to not tell anyone what's > > in the purse. Might take some luck, and of course there's the issue > > of walking across the Channel, same as there was in Augustan Rome. > > > > (I note, not that it's relevant, that the only place I've ever > > actually had my pocket picked was Rome.) > > > > b) That was said of a lot of times, places, and cultures (such as > > Arthur's Britain), and usually wasn't true. > > > > During the reign of Vlad the Impaler, it was said that a > > jewel-encrusted golden cup was left on the side of a fountain in his > > capital city of Tirgoviste, for the use of thirsty travelers, and no > > one dared steal it. (It allegedly vanished forever as soon as news of > > his death arrived.) Outside Rumania this is not generally seen as an > > endorsement of Vlad's policies. > > > > Those points aside, I have no problem with well-run empires. > > > > >> > It's actually the international standard term, because the rest of the > > >> > world isn't as god-soaked. > > >> > > >> Or is soaking in a different flavor of god(s), more's the pity. > > > > > >Personally I don't believe in Christianity but I learned it as "BC" and > > >"AD" and somebody can't deal with that he's really more interested in an > > >argument than in the sequence of events, so screw him. > > > > One trivial issue with AD/BC is that "Anno Domini" is Latin and > > "Before Christ" is English; shouldn't they match? > > Some have used A.C. or A.C.N. (ante Christum natum) for > "before the birth of Christ." > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ante_Christum_Natum > > Kevin R > > Kevin R > . Well, I was born in the 1900's, but I don't know if it is A.D., A.C., A.C.N., B.E., G.E., or M.C.W....or L.S.D.
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