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| Message-ID | <55C63281.18AC@ix.netcom.com> (permalink) |
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| Date | 2015-08-08 09:46 -0700 |
| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
| Newsgroups | alt.atheism, rec.arts.sf.written, sci.physics, sci.physics.relativity |
| Subject | Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. |
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The Starmaker wrote: > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > Kevrob wrote: > > > > > > On Friday, August 7, 2015 at 7:19:45 PM UTC-4, The Starmaker wrote: > > > > Kevrob wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, August 7, 2015 at 2:14:51 AM UTC-4, The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Attila < wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 01:10:45 -0700, The Starmaker > > > > > > > > > <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id > > > > > > > > > <55C31685.54A6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Attila < wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> in > > > > > > > > > >> alt.atheism with message-id > > > > > > > > > >> <9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> >>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred. Same difference. No eye > > > > > > > > > >> >>> witnesses to testify. Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, > > > > > > > > > >> >>> etc. > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels. > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >What 3rd party verification. I have the same types of verification for Jesus > > > > > > > > > >> >Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc. > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or > > > > > > > > > >> indirectly, with your bible? Direct verified accounts or 'paintings' > > > > > > > > > >> by people who never heard of that bible or any person or organization > > > > > > > > > >> connected to it? > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> What 'artifacts' what are independent of such sources? > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> Do you understand what 'independent' or 'verified' means? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >"Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to > > > > > > > > > >call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works--a teacher of such > > > > > > > > > >men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of > > > > > > > > > >the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when > > > > > > > > > >Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned > > > > > > > > > >him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, > > > > > > > > > >for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine > > > > > > > > > >prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things > > > > > > > > > >concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not > > > > > > > > > >extinct at this day." > > > > > > > > > >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the opinion of many scholars his writings were altered centuries > > > > > > > > > ago to fit the necessary pattern. There is no independent > > > > > > > > > verification from any other sources supporting him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm shocked. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://alivecampus.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/shocked_face.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how about this guy? > > > > > > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus#Tacitus_on_Christ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and > > > > > > inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their > > > > > > abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the > > > > > > name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of > > > > > > Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a > > > > > > most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke > > > > > > out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, > > > > > > where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find > > > > > > their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made > > > > > > of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense > > > > > > multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as > > > > > > of hatred against mankind. Mockery of every sort was added to their > > > > > > deaths. Covered with the skins of beasts, they were torn by dogs and > > > > > > perished, or were nailed to crosses, or were doomed to the flames and > > > > > > burnt, to serve as a nightly illumination, when daylight had expired." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus#Tacitus_on_Christ > > > > > > > > > > GoTo the 1st para @ > > > > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus > > > > > > > > > > Born circa 56 CE Died 117 CE > > > > > > > > > > So, he was on the scene 23 years after the traditional death date for > > > > > the Nazarene, 33 CE. He wasn't a contemporary of Jesus. > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for playing. > > > > > > > > > > Kevin R > > > > > > > > > > > > 23 years??? > > > > > > > > The story of Jesus Christ...the new testament wasn't even writen until 50 years after Jesus Christ died. > > > > > > So what. We were talking about non-biblical verification that someone > > > called "Jesus" or something close to it had lived and either founded a > > > religion or had been the example for a religion founded by his followers. > > > Tacitus wasn't alive when JC was, so he would only have heard about any > > > Jewish Messiah after the fellow was said to have died. He isn't, as the > > > historians say, a primary source. That's not to say he didn't encounter > > > Christians in his lifetime. > > > > > > Kevin R > > > > Born circa 56 CE Died 117 CE > > > > Doesn't CE mean Before Christ? > > You wrote: "Tacitus wasn't alive when JC was..." > > The Common Era, also known as the Christian Era,[1][2] is the name of > the stretch of time from somewhere around the alleged birth of Jesus > Christ. > > Now when was Jesus born? Maybe 86 CE??? Or maybe Jesus Christ was born 56 CE, in the same hospitol that Tacitus was born. It must be in the Times Roman newspaper...
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Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-09 14:58 -0700
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Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-08 13:13 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 16:13 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-09 08:16 -0400
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Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-09 05:00 -0400
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