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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | talk.politics.guns, misc.survivalism, alt.atheism, alt.politics.economics, alt.philosophy, alt.politics.usa.constitution |
| Subject | Re: Who pays for Illegals? |
| Date | 2019-01-24 14:03 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <gaunhbFad41U7@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
| References | (18 earlier) <q2cn7d$i8r$1@dont-email.me> <gaueefF8i31U1@mid.individual.net> <q2d0lm$fq4$1@dont-email.me> <gaufelF8p2lU1@mid.individual.net> <q2d6vk$nmc$4@dont-email.me> |
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On 1/24/19 1:25 PM, Peter Franks wrote: > On 1/24/2019 10:45 AM, Snit wrote: >> On 1/24/19 11:37 AM, Peter Franks wrote: >>> On 1/24/2019 10:28 AM, Snit wrote: >>>> On 1/24/19 8:56 AM, Peter Franks wrote: >>>>> On 1/24/2019 7:50 AM, Peter Franks wrote: >>>>>> On 1/24/2019 7:22 AM, jim wrote: >>>>>>> Peter Franks wrote on 1/23/2019 8:58 PM: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I prefer a comparison that looks beyond the "rate" >>>>>>>>> on taxable income. A comparison that looks at >>>>>>>>> the total tax and the total income >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Do you think it is progressive when the "rate " is >>>>>>>>> applied to 100% of the low income worker while >>>>>>>>> applied to only 1% of what the highest earner >>>>>>>>> makes. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sounds to me like you are arguing against the accepted definition. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes, I am arguing against accepted definitions. It took you >>>>>>> long enough to figure that out. The tax code is composed >>>>>>> mostly of definitions. If you simply accept the definitions >>>>>>> as being equitable and reasonable... >>>>>> >>>>>> I did no such thing. >>>>> >>>>> Further, this portion of the discussion originated with my >>>>> statement that "Taxes aren't universally applied (they are >>>>> progressive), so it is no longer universal healthcare." which was >>>>> speaking /specifically/ to universal health care. In that case the >>>>> system of taxation is most definitely progressive. Honestly >>>>> though, I don't really care what you call it. Just accept the >>>>> simple fact that it is NOT universal, it is an entitlement. >>>>> >>>>> 'Universal' is quite simply a system where everyone pays the same >>>>> for the same benefit. >>>>> >>>>> Universal health care is an entitlement program. >>>> >>>> You are trying to pretend there is something unequal about >>>> >>>> If you make X then you pay Y in taxes, regardless of color, race, >>>> sex, gender, sexuality, political leanings, etc. Just period... make >>>> X pay Y. >>>> >>>> There is no reason to think that is not fair. >>> >>> Is the mapping of X to Y a multiplier or is it a table lookup? >>> >> Any fair system would be equal. We could debate what a "fair system" >> is, but there is not just one answer. > > Then what are the answers? > What is the question? -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-20 16:31 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-20 15:49 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-20 17:37 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-20 17:03 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-20 18:37 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-20 21:12 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-20 22:17 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-21 06:36 +0000
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-21 02:04 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-21 09:10 +0000
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2019-01-22 04:20 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingN0Sp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-21 07:42 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-21 15:49 +0000
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-21 10:38 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-21 18:03 +0000
Re: Who pays for Illegals? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-21 11:05 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-21 11:20 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-21 11:29 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-21 14:20 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-21 14:23 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-21 15:03 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-22 06:23 +0000
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-21 12:54 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-21 10:23 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-20 16:43 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-20 18:21 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-22 07:41 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-22 09:28 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-22 11:06 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-22 14:07 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-23 09:51 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-23 19:29 +0000
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-23 13:46 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-23 17:33 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-23 18:54 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-24 09:39 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 07:48 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-24 12:44 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 12:23 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 14:04 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-24 17:36 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Ted <francisgerard@tutanota.com> - 2019-01-25 00:55 +0000
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-24 19:22 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 23:52 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-25 03:00 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-25 09:29 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-25 10:48 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 19:32 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-25 09:30 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-25 10:47 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 21:50 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-24 22:49 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-25 07:48 +0000
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-25 03:01 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-25 08:43 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-25 12:35 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-25 12:47 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-25 16:23 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-25 14:38 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-25 17:24 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-24 17:02 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-25 07:48 +0000
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-25 08:03 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-25 10:26 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-25 08:47 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-25 09:32 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-25 16:27 +0000
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-25 07:59 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-25 08:06 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-25 16:29 +0000
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-25 08:45 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-25 14:13 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-25 13:48 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-25 12:52 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-25 16:54 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-25 16:06 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-25 10:53 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-25 09:02 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-25 14:25 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? BeamMeUpScotty <Not-Sure@idiocracy.gov> - 2019-01-25 16:20 -0500
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-25 16:04 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-25 14:18 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-25 16:34 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-25 14:40 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-25 21:34 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-25 20:08 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-26 06:14 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-26 08:01 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-26 11:15 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-26 10:19 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-26 13:49 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-27 07:44 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-27 12:11 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-27 11:25 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-27 14:12 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-27 19:49 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-28 08:27 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-28 07:40 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-28 08:21 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Mitchell Holman <noemail@verizont.net> - 2019-01-27 12:41 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? BeamMeUpScotty <Not-Sure@idiocracy.gov> - 2019-01-28 07:20 -0500
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Mitchell Holman <noemail@verizont.net> - 2019-01-28 07:58 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? BeamMeUpScotty <Not-Sure@idiocracy.gov> - 2019-01-27 09:38 -0500
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Don Martin <drdonmartin@comcast.net> - 2019-01-26 14:47 -0500
Who's taxes pay for Illegals? BeamMeUpScotty <Not-Sure@idiocracy.gov> - 2019-01-25 17:19 -0500
Re: Who's taxes pay for Illegals? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-25 15:23 -0700
Re: Who's taxes pay for Illegals? Ted <francisgerard@tutanota.com> - 2019-01-26 21:04 +0000
Who's taxes pay for Illegal aliens and incompetent Democrat run businesses? BeamMeUpScotty <Not-Sure@idiocracy.gov> - 2019-01-26 14:06 -0500
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-24 15:22 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-23 09:46 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-23 09:52 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-23 14:38 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-23 13:48 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Ted <francisgerard@tutanota.com> - 2019-01-23 21:55 +0000
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-23 18:56 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Ted <francisgerard@tutanota.com> - 2019-01-24 03:07 +0000
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 06:37 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-23 17:46 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-23 18:58 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-24 09:22 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 07:50 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 07:56 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 16:05 +0000
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 09:30 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 11:33 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 10:41 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 12:03 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-24 12:42 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 12:24 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 14:05 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 14:13 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 13:56 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-24 17:33 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 23:59 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-25 03:08 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-25 08:17 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-25 08:12 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-25 09:35 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-25 10:45 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-25 10:50 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-25 15:58 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-25 16:10 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-25 17:16 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-25 16:40 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-25 17:28 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-25 09:45 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 12:24 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 14:05 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 13:57 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-24 12:16 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 11:28 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 10:37 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 11:45 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 12:25 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 14:03 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 13:57 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-24 17:37 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-25 09:47 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-24 12:13 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 10:34 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 11:46 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-24 12:50 -0600
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