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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | talk.politics.guns, misc.survivalism, alt.atheism, alt.politics.economics, alt.philosophy, alt.politics.usa.constitution |
| Subject | Re: Who pays for Illegals? |
| Date | 2019-01-22 14:07 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <gapf16F5pq2U1@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
| References | (7 earlier) <q15ut3$nk0$1@dont-email.me> <q22sr6$6bu$1@dont-email.me> <q27dil$ajj$1@dont-email.me> <gaoukrF25u4U1@mid.individual.net> <q27pji$r42$1@dont-email.me> |
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On 1/22/19 12:06 PM, Peter Franks wrote: > On 1/22/2019 8:28 AM, Snit wrote: >> On 1/22/19 8:41 AM, Peter Franks wrote: >>> On 1/20/2019 2:31 PM, jim wrote: >>>> Peter Franks wrote on 1/9/2019 5:08 PM: >>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Who pays for the universal health care? >>>>>> >>>>>> We can split the savings. >>>>>> >>>>>>> Regardless of any savings, >>>>>>> there will be a net cost. Who pays for those costs? >>>>>> >>>>>> Taxes. That is how the government works. >>>>> >>>>> Taxes aren't universally applied (they are progressive), >>>> >>>> Are they? or did you mean regressive? >>>> Every low income wage earner has 15% of their income taken >>>> in taxes. And that's the minimum. anybody making between >>>> about $15,000 and $110,000 is paying more. When Mitt Romney >>>> showed us what he paid in taxes before the 2012 election, his >>>> return showed he had paid 14% on his income of millions. >>>> How is that progressive? >>>> >>>> Most Americans pay sales tax on their retail purchases. >>>> They mostly have to pay like 4%-8%. But consider all the sales >>>> that don't have to pay sales tax. There is no sales tax on >>>> the sale of stocks or bonds. Lets imagine there was a 1% >>>> federal sales tax on all money transfers on Fedwire. >>>> How much money would that raise? >>>> The answer is it would not only balance the federal budget, >>>> but it would pay off the federal debt in less than 5 years. >>>> >>>> The whole perception that taxes are skewed against the >>>> wealthy is a myth. There is no doubt the laws are designed >>>> to make it look like the wealthy pay higher percentages. but >>>> who is writing those laws? >>> >>> No, I said progressive, I meant progressive. >>> >>> https://www.cbo.gov/publication/51361 >>> >>> Don't let facts cloud your hysteria though, you put on a good show! >> >> Do you think your link shows they pay a higher or lower percentage? > > My link shows that this is a progressive tax system in refutation to his > inference that it is a regressive system. > The wealthy pay a LOWER percent of their income than do people who make less than they do, and that includes ONLY the income they declare and for which they cannot get silly deductions such as living expenses. Wages, for example, are taxed at a much higher rate than are investments. Sales taxes and state taxes impact the those with less money more. You look at one part of the tax equation and try to push that is how taxes work IN GENERAL, but they do not. There is a reason more people back the top rate of 70% than back the Trump tax cut for the wealthy. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-20 16:31 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-20 15:49 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-20 17:37 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-20 17:03 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-20 18:37 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-20 21:12 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-20 22:17 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-21 06:36 +0000
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-21 02:04 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-21 09:10 +0000
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2019-01-22 04:20 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingN0Sp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-21 07:42 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-21 15:49 +0000
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-21 10:38 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-21 18:03 +0000
Re: Who pays for Illegals? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-21 11:05 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-21 11:20 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-21 11:29 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-21 14:20 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-21 14:23 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-21 15:03 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-22 06:23 +0000
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-21 12:54 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-21 10:23 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-20 16:43 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-20 18:21 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-22 07:41 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-22 09:28 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-22 11:06 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-22 14:07 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-23 09:51 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-23 19:29 +0000
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-23 13:46 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-23 17:33 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-23 18:54 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-24 09:39 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 07:48 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-24 12:44 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 12:23 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 14:04 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-24 17:36 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Ted <francisgerard@tutanota.com> - 2019-01-25 00:55 +0000
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-24 19:22 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 23:52 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-25 03:00 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-25 09:29 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-25 10:48 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 19:32 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-25 09:30 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-25 10:47 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 21:50 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-24 22:49 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-25 07:48 +0000
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-25 03:01 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-25 08:43 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-25 12:35 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-25 12:47 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-25 16:23 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-25 14:38 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-25 17:24 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-24 17:02 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-25 07:48 +0000
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-25 08:03 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-25 10:26 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-25 08:47 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-25 09:32 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-25 16:27 +0000
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-25 07:59 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-25 08:06 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-25 16:29 +0000
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-25 08:45 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-25 14:13 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-25 13:48 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-25 12:52 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-25 16:54 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-25 16:06 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-25 10:53 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-25 09:02 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-25 14:25 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? BeamMeUpScotty <Not-Sure@idiocracy.gov> - 2019-01-25 16:20 -0500
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-25 16:04 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-25 14:18 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-25 16:34 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-25 14:40 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-25 21:34 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-25 20:08 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-26 06:14 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-26 08:01 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-26 11:15 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-26 10:19 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-26 13:49 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-27 07:44 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-27 12:11 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-27 11:25 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-27 14:12 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-27 19:49 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-28 08:27 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-28 07:40 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-28 08:21 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Mitchell Holman <noemail@verizont.net> - 2019-01-27 12:41 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? BeamMeUpScotty <Not-Sure@idiocracy.gov> - 2019-01-28 07:20 -0500
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Mitchell Holman <noemail@verizont.net> - 2019-01-28 07:58 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? BeamMeUpScotty <Not-Sure@idiocracy.gov> - 2019-01-27 09:38 -0500
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Don Martin <drdonmartin@comcast.net> - 2019-01-26 14:47 -0500
Who's taxes pay for Illegals? BeamMeUpScotty <Not-Sure@idiocracy.gov> - 2019-01-25 17:19 -0500
Re: Who's taxes pay for Illegals? % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-25 15:23 -0700
Re: Who's taxes pay for Illegals? Ted <francisgerard@tutanota.com> - 2019-01-26 21:04 +0000
Who's taxes pay for Illegal aliens and incompetent Democrat run businesses? BeamMeUpScotty <Not-Sure@idiocracy.gov> - 2019-01-26 14:06 -0500
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-24 15:22 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-23 09:46 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-23 09:52 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-23 14:38 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-23 13:48 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Ted <francisgerard@tutanota.com> - 2019-01-23 21:55 +0000
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-23 18:56 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Ted <francisgerard@tutanota.com> - 2019-01-24 03:07 +0000
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 06:37 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-23 17:46 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-23 18:58 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-24 09:22 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 07:50 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 07:56 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 16:05 +0000
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 09:30 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 11:33 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 10:41 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 12:03 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-24 12:42 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 12:24 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 14:05 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 14:13 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 13:56 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-24 17:33 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 23:59 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-25 03:08 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-25 08:17 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-25 08:12 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-25 09:35 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-25 10:45 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-25 10:50 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-25 15:58 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-25 16:10 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-25 17:16 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-25 16:40 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2019-01-25 17:28 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-25 09:45 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 12:24 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 14:05 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 13:57 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-24 12:16 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 11:28 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 10:37 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 11:45 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 12:25 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 14:03 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 13:57 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Just Wondering <JW@me.com> - 2019-01-24 17:37 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-25 09:47 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-24 12:13 -0600
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Peter Franks <none@none.com> - 2019-01-24 10:34 -0800
Re: Who pays for Illegals? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2019-01-24 11:46 -0700
Re: Who pays for Illegals? jim <"sjedgingNOSp@m"@mwt.net> - 2019-01-24 12:50 -0600
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