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| From | "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | alt.atheism |
| Subject | Re: Air America! |
| Date | 2016-06-05 11:54 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <drhf2aFijc4U1@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
| References | (7 earlier) <06a0lb91d1nfte7gf5689g1lokqpcdv7of@4ax.com> <drc19mFg7h2U1@mid.individual.net> <g7h2lbl2motuiid3bshv530916qld8cug7@4ax.com> <dren1pF20qiU1@mid.individual.net> <l925lb5ssdp05qq3j6pghdpcd6fbs233k4@4ax.com> |
On 04/06/2016 18:00, Attila wrote: > On Sat, 4 Jun 2016 10:52:11 +1000, "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> in > alt.atheism with message-id <dren1pF20qiU1@mid.individual.net> wrote: > >> On 03/06/2016 18:55, Attila wrote: >>> On Fri, 3 Jun 2016 10:28:36 +1000, "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> in >>> alt.atheism with message-id <drc19mFg7h2U1@mid.individual.net> wrote: >>> >>>> On 02/06/2016 22:40, Attila wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 02 Jun 2016 07:23:49 -0500, Mitchell Holman >>>>> <noemail@comcast.net> in alt.atheism with message-id >>>>> <XnsA61B4B6CCD76Cnoemailattnet@216.166.97.131> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote in >>>>>> news:fdhvkbl5uhh69jqg179rqhb3ibl4ebb64s@4ax.com: >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you pay into the system, you acquire the right to draw on it in >>>>>>>> time of need. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I said unearned. Things like Medicaid and Social Security for anyone >>>>>>> who did not work to earn the income. Food stamps. Any other welfare >>>>>>> payments. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> How about public schools? Children certainly >>>>>> don't work, so their education is an "unearned >>>>>> benefit", no? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Public schools are paid for with taxes - which are not paid by >>>>> illegals working for cash. >>>> >>>> When working for cash, what they do not pay is income and payroll taxes >>>> -- everything direct. But given the menial character of such labour, >>>> they would likely not even be paying any income tax if they were fully >>>> legal. >>> >>> But they would still be using those things taxes pay for. >> >> Just like everyone else. >> >> And in this specific issue, since the rent they pay funds the property >> tax, they do pay for schools. > > And usually cost more in services than they pay in taxes, for those > who don't just work for cash. How so? Illegals as a rule do not access most government services for fear of being caught and deported. > >> >> >>> >>>> >>>> Even illegals working for cash have to live somewhere. That means they >>>> pay rent. Paying rent means the property owner pays his property tax >>>> which in turn funds public schools. It is irrelevant for the purposes >>>> of property tax where the rent money came from. >>>> >>>> On top of that, illegals working for cash spend that cash. This means >>>> they pay their full share of all indirect taxes such as sales and fuel >>>> or tax on utilities (water, gas, electricity). >>>> >>> >>> Their costs far outweigh what they spend. Usually they send a lot of >>> money out of the country, which removes it from the economy. Not to >>> mention the entire drug smuggling situation. >> >> So Jesus earns $1,000 a month washing cars. He sends $300 home every >> month -- using US firms to do so, which generates turnover and protects >> US jobs. > > Not that many, and those jobs would exist anyway. Would you use the > increase in health care employment to justify drug usage? Remittances to Mexico alone amounted to 2173.35 USD Million in April alone. The average amount from 1995-2016 was 1359.81 USD Million a month. And that's only official amounts not counting money sent over in cash or in kind. Close that off, and no, the jobs dealing with that sort of money flow would not exist anyway. > > > >> The family back home in Mexico is happy and spends the money, >> increasing their purchasing power. This means they become customers -- >> and many of the companies that sell them stuff will be American or sell >> American goods. All that flows back into the US. > > None of which matters. In economic terms, it matters a lot.
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Re: Air America! Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-06-02 01:39 -0400
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Re: Air America! Mitchell Holman <noemail@comcast.net> - 2016-06-02 08:44 -0500
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Re: Air America! Mitchell Holman <noemail@comcast.net> - 2016-06-02 18:04 -0500
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Re: Air America! Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-06-03 10:40 -0400
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Re: Air America! Mitchell Holman <noemail@comcast.net> - 2016-06-04 06:53 -0500
Re: Air America! Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-06-04 09:11 -0400
Re: Air America! Mitchell Holman <noemail@comcast.net> - 2016-06-04 12:38 -0500
Re: Air America! Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-06-04 14:31 -0400
Re: Air America! John Ritson <j.ritson@hotmail.co.uk> - 2016-06-04 21:41 +0100
Re: Air America! "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-06-05 11:56 +1000
Re: Air America! Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-06-05 04:09 -0400
Re: Air America! "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-06-05 19:12 +1000
Re: Air America! Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-06-05 10:18 -0400
Re: Air America! "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-06-06 10:15 +1000
Re: Air America! Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-06-06 02:01 -0400
Re: Air America! rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com - 2016-06-07 15:42 -0700
Re: Air America! "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-06-08 11:38 +1000
Re: Air America! Mitchell Holman <noemail@comcast.net> - 2016-06-05 21:28 -0500
Re: Air America! "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-06-06 14:19 +1000
Re: Air America! Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-06-06 02:08 -0400
Re: Air America! "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-06-06 17:21 +1000
Re: Air America! Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-06-06 04:32 -0400
Re: Air America! "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-06-07 09:44 +1000
Re: Air America! Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-06-06 23:08 -0400
Re: Air America! Mitchell Holman <noemail@comcast.net> - 2016-06-06 08:02 -0500
Re: Air America! Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-06-06 14:14 -0400
Re: Air America! Mitchell Holman <noemail@comcast.net> - 2016-06-06 21:10 -0500
Re: Air America! Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-06-06 23:11 -0400
Re: Air America! Mitchell Holman <noemail@comcast.net> - 2016-06-07 17:13 -0500
Re: Air America! Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-06-07 18:22 -0400
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Re: Air America! Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-06-03 04:55 -0400
Re: Air America! "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-06-04 10:52 +1000
Re: Air America! Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-06-04 04:00 -0400
Re: Air America! "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-06-05 11:54 +1000
Re: Air America! Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-06-05 04:13 -0400
Re: Air America! Mitchell Holman <noemail@comcast.net> - 2016-06-01 20:58 -0500
Re: Air America! "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-06-02 12:25 +1000
Re: Air America! Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-06-02 01:43 -0400
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Re: Air America! Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-06-02 01:41 -0400
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Re: Air America! Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-06-04 04:02 -0400
Re: Air America! "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-06-05 11:46 +1000
Re: Air America! Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-06-05 04:15 -0400
Re: Air America! "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-06-05 19:17 +1000
Re: Air America! Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-06-05 10:23 -0400
Re: Air America! "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-06-06 10:20 +1000
Re: Air America! Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-06-06 02:13 -0400
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Re: Air America! Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-06 04:00 -0700
Re: Air America! John Ritson <j.ritson@hotmail.co.uk> - 2016-06-06 15:53 +0100
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Re: Air America! Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2016-06-06 01:00 -0400
Re: Air America! "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-06-06 15:17 +1000
Re: Air America! Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2016-06-06 01:45 -0400
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