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On 06/06/2016 18:32, Attila wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Jun 2016 17:21:01 +1000, "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> in
> alt.atheism with message-id <drkmikF7trdU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>
>> On 06/06/2016 16:08, Attila wrote:
>>> On Sun, 05 Jun 2016 21:28:59 -0500, Mitchell Holman
>>> <noemail@comcast.net> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>> <XnsA61EDAB682400noemailattnet@216.166.97.131> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote in
>>>> news:8276lbp0cevc1n5kjrkq4na9b4814uf3qs@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    You don't need to produce an SSI card to
>>>>>> buy a roll of stamps or pay your water bill.
>>>>>> Just try requiring it and see what happens.
>>>>>
>>>>> You need ID and/or your 'taxpayer ID"  (SSN) to open a bank account,
>>>>> see a doctor, or apply for credit.  And usually to sign up for
>>>>> utilities.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     None of those require proof of citizenship.
>>>> Americans would not put up with dollar coin or
>>>> $2 bill, they are certainly not going to put up
>>>> with proving their nationality wherever they go.
>>>
>>> They need a taxpayer ID, and if such and ID was required it would be
>>> used.  Just as a drivers license is used now.
>>>
>>> No ID, no activity whatever it is.
>>
>> So, tell us: how do you feel about your government knowing exactly and
>> at all times what you do, where you do it, when you do it, with whom you
>> do it?
>
> I don't like it but I see no alternative.  Much of that can be done
> now.

So you want to combat one evil by introducing a far more insidious 
solution?  That's like letting loose a rattlesnake in your home when you 
have a rat problem.


>
>>
>>
>>>>>>    How do you stop people from sending money abroad?
>>>>>
>>>>> Prevent the services such as Western Union from doing so, and stop
>>>>> banks from allowing individuals to open accounts in other countries or
>>>>> making deposits to such accounts.
>>>>>
>>>>> It would be easy to track and block any electronic transfers by
>>>>> individuals out of the country.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     If it was so easy it would have been long
>>>> before now. Fact is money has to cross borders
>>>> by the billions every minute. Demanding that
>>>> every sender prove their nationality is silly.
>>>
>>> Not really.  Computers can do more every day.
>>>
>>> You might be amazed to know what is possible.
>>
>> What is possible does not equate to what is feasible.
>> It certainly does not equate to what is practical.
>> Nor indeed that it is in any way cost-effective.
>>
>> And absolutely not that it is desirable.
>
> That is a matter of opinion.
>
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>     Show us the downside to Reagan legalizing
>>>> millions of immigrants. Did the stock market
>>>> crash, did jobs disappear, did Americans go
>>>> hungry?
>>>
>>> The downside was letting millions of people get away with breaking the
>>> law and rewarding them for doing so.  it encouraged millions more to
>>> do the same thing.
>>
>> If it were that attractive, you wouldn't have 12 million undocumented
>> aliens in the country but 112 million.
>
> But we currently have 12 million too many.  They need to be removed
> and prevented from reentry.

Aside from the logistical implausibility of deporting such large 
numbers, what is your answer to the inevitable upheaval south of the 
border?  Please don't kid yourself that this will not have an impact on 
the US.

More importantly, what do you expect will happen when those 12 million 
suddenly disappear form the labour pool?  How happy do you think 
Americans will be with the full-blown recession that will follow?

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Re: Air America! Mitchell Holman <noemail@comcast.net> - 2016-06-05 21:28 -0500
  Re: Air America! "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-06-06 14:19 +1000
  Re: Air America! Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-06-06 02:08 -0400
    Re: Air America! "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-06-06 17:21 +1000
      Re: Air America! Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-06-06 04:32 -0400
        Re: Air America! "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-06-07 09:44 +1000
          Re: Air America! Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-06-06 23:08 -0400
    Re: Air America! Mitchell Holman <noemail@comcast.net> - 2016-06-06 08:02 -0500
      Re: Air America! Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-06-06 14:14 -0400
        Re: Air America! Mitchell Holman <noemail@comcast.net> - 2016-06-06 21:10 -0500
          Re: Air America! Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-06-06 23:11 -0400
            Re: Air America! Mitchell Holman <noemail@comcast.net> - 2016-06-07 17:13 -0500
              Re: Air America! Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-06-07 18:22 -0400

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