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Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality.

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On 05/03/2016 14:27, Attila wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Mar 2016 08:54:57 +0000, "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> in
> alt.atheism with message-id <djvl73Fq5voU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>
>> On 04/03/2016 16:38, Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 03 Mar 2016 16:00:45 -0500, Governor Swill
>>>> <governor.swill@gmail.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>> <u29hdbtqh5r0vkjjgsr9iffamgshr5pjjh@4ax.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 03 Mar 2016 10:04:07 -0500, Attila wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 3 Mar 2016 10:22:12 +0000, "Alex W." wrote:
>>>>>>> Not a politician?  He may not be a *career* politician, but his
>>>>>>> behaviour on this campaign is classic politician stuff ... and in
>>>>>>> particular the demagogue archetype.  He always goes straight for the
>>>>>>> emotional jugular.  He makes outrageous promises he knows cannot be
>>>>>>> kept.  He stokes fear.  That makes him a politician.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's not forget that the same demographics that support Trump, also
>>>>> supported the likes of Bonaparte, Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin and Mao.
>>>
>>>>>> No.  Holding an elected office makes him a politician.  At least he
>>>>>> has business experience and is not an enemy of everything but
>>>>>> giveaways like the idiot in the white house now.  I call him an idiot
>>>>>> because I respect dogs.
>>>>>
>>>>> pol·i·ti·cian
>>>>> noun
>>>>> a person who is professionally involved in politics, especially as a
>>>>> holder of or a candidate for an elected office.
>>>>>
>>>>> a person who acts in a manipulative and devious way, typically to gain
>>>>> advancement within an organization.
>>>>> https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=define%20politician
>>>>>
>>>>> Trump is a politician by both definitions.
>>>>>
>>>
>>> TRUMP has created wealth and has had to meet a payroll...  Obama is a
>>> useless waste of skin that doesn't understand how you create wealth or
>>> what it takes to live in reality rather than living in the imaginary
>>> world of government where he sponged off the people like TRUMP and the
>>> government tax and wealth that was given by actually successful people
>>> to subsidize a college that did create wealth. Living in academia as
>>> Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go
>>> to hide from reality.
>>>
>>
>> Your post exemplifies a common mistake: that running a business is like
>> running a government, or rather that one should run government like a
>> business.  Which is a serious misinterpretation of the nature and
>> function of government.
>>
>> If you want a good preparation for running government, look not to
>> someone with a career in business.  Look to someone who has run a
>> charity.  Government is not in the business of making money, or selling
>> goods and services.  It is a mechanism for addressing the needs of all
>> people within its jurisdiction as determined by the citizens.  Profit
>> does not enter into it.
>
> Government is to do collectively what is too complex for the
> individual to do alone.  It is not to address the needs of all people
> within it's jurisdiction but to perform functions such as defense and
> foreign relationships which are better performed by a single polity
> rather than individual states or persons.
>
> Government today has expanded far too much into far to many facets of
> modern life.  It should be restricted.

It's more complex than that.

Government has to cater to those who do not have a powerful lobby or a 
sympathetic cuddly image.

Government also serves to even out the discrepancy between costs and 
benefits.  Services such as the mail or public transport may not be 
viable as commercial propositions but the overall benefit to society and 
the economy are very considerable.

Ideally, government should also be an institution which transcends the 
narrow interests of single groups, to act as a check and balance 
mediating between all of them.  That requires a bit of involvement.

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Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-05 08:54 +0000
  Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-03-05 03:21 -0800
    Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-05 14:08 +0000
  Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-03-05 09:27 -0500
    Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-06 00:00 +0000

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