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Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute

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On Sat, 05 Mar 2016 14:04:11 +0000, Alex W. wrote:

> On 05/03/2016 13:47, Ted&Alice Street wrote:
>> Alex W. wrote:
>>
>>> On 05/03/2016 12:42, Ted&Alice Street wrote:
>>>> Alex W. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 04/03/2016 23:04, Ted&Alice Street wrote:
>>>>>> Mattb. wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>> http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/atheist-lawmakers-prayer-sets-
off-arizona-house-dispute-37381282
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> An atheist member of the Arizona House denied the chance to
>>>>>>> deliver the chamber's opening prayer by majority Republican
>>>>>>> leaders last month got the opportunity Thursday, only to see
>>>>>>> leaders rule his prayer didn't pass muster and call up a Christian
>>>>>>> pastor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The opening prayer by Democrat Juan Mendez included a call to work
>>>>>>> to help the state and its residents flourish and to "honor the
>>>>>>> Constitution and the secular equality it brings." But he didn't
>>>>>>> pray to any deity, which infuriated some Republicans who are
>>>>>>> Christians.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Accoring to the article, 'House Majority Leader Steve Montenegro
>>>>>> said Mendez's decision not to pray to God didn't meet House rules
>>>>>> he issued earlier this year for the opening prayer. Speaker David
>>>>>> Gowan then said "point of order well taken".'
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If Mendez were Pastararian, he could've prayed to The FSM and that
>>>>>> would've satisfied the "House rules".
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Imagine the uproar if he had addressed his prayer to Satan....
>>>>
>>>> He'd now be the most infamous man in America. And Satan is referred
>>>> to in the Bible as "the god of this world", so the prayer might still
>>>> have satisfied the House rule.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> If he wanted to toss a hyperactive cat among the pigeons, he should
>>> table a motion asking for a comprehensive universal definition of
>>> "god"...
>>
>> They might've even killed him for that.
>>
>> What would have happened in the UK for a comparable situation?
>>
> Nothing at all.
> 
> We don't do god in public life.
> 
> If Tony Blair had done what GWB did before ordering the troops into Iraq
> -- praying and reading the bible to seek divine guidance -- he would not
> have been prime minister long enough to see us conquering Baghdad.

TB may well have been -- praying and reading the bible to seek divine 
guidance --, he is a committed Christian, but he didn't announce it to the 
world for all to see his stupidity. _That_ is the difference between the 
UK and the US.

> We get much more exercised about bad manners.  The new leader of the
> Labour Party, Jeremy Corbyn, was supposed to meet the Queen and go down
> on one knee.  When he refused to do so, being a republican, it caused a
> major uproar.  His religion is never mentioned....

I suspect that he's either an atheist or a very religious Christian, like 
TB.

> Plus, we have the advantage of a state religion.  So for official acts
> we wheel out a vicar or bishop to mumble all the words without anyone
> having to make a personal declaration of (un)belief. All very civilised.

-- 
Smiler, The godless one.
aa #2279
Gods are all tailored to order. They are made 
to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.

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Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-05 09:08 +0000
  Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-03-05 12:42 +0000
    Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-05 13:03 +0000
      Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-03-05 13:47 +0000
        Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-05 14:04 +0000
          Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-03-05 14:31 +0000
            Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-03-05 19:14 +0000
              Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "%" <persent@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 12:18 -0700
                Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-03-05 19:28 +0000
              Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-03-05 21:08 +0000
                Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-03-05 23:28 +0000
                Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "%" <persent@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 16:53 -0700
                Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-03-06 12:41 +0000
              Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-05 23:46 +0000
            Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-05 23:53 +0000
          Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-03-05 23:46 +0000
            Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-06 00:07 +0000
              Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-03-06 19:56 +0000
        Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute "Ted&Alice Street" <sam.tedesco@notgmail.c> - 2016-03-05 19:15 +0000
      Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute Don Kresch <no@spam.org> - 2016-03-06 15:41 -0600
  Re: Atheist Lawmaker's Prayer Sets off Arizona House Dispute MattB <trdell12345@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 10:05 -0800

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