Re: Joy of this, Joy of that

From	rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: Joy of this, Joy of that
Date	2024-12-09 22:12 +0000
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On Mon, 9 Dec 2024 10:33:06 +0100, D wrote:

> I find it interesting how in our modern and enlightened times (say from
> the 1950s and onward) there's been a "merge" with eastern spirituality
> where christian writers have "christianized" eastern meditational
> practices, and sometimes almost re-invented what the original crew you
> mentioned above did several 100 years earlier.

Prophet in his own land...  iirc Thomas Merton, who was well versed in 
Zen, pointed out the similarities to Christian mysticism and suggested you 
didn't really need to make the 'journey to the east'.

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                Re: Joy of Translation Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2024-12-11 12:33 +0000
                Re: Joy of Translation Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2024-12-11 15:16 +0000
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                Re: Joy of Translation Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-12-12 05:06 +0000
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                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-09 12:42 +0000
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                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-07 00:32 -0500
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 13:55 +0000

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