Re: Joy of this, Joy of that

From	D <nospam@example.net>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: Joy of this, Joy of that
Date	2024-12-07 22:48 +0100
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On Sat, 7 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 07/12/2024 16:39, D wrote:
>> So therefore, metaphysics doesn't really exist, except as thought forms to 
>> make us feel better (if we need that), in which case it's just a bunch of 
>> nice stories.
>
> Well you are starting to make clear a completely metaphysical position here.
>
> What do you mean by 'really exist' ?

With not exist, I mean s an unprovable, ideal reality separate from the 
material world. As existing, I mean as a pattern of electrons in a brain. 
So depending on what you prefer, either yes or no.

> Do a persons hurt feelings 'really exist'? Or are they just pulling your 
> strings?

See above. They exist as electrons in a brain.

> Metaphysics is the study of the assumptions we make about everything in order 
> to be able to describe and manipulate  things.
>
> If your metaphysics and your language doesn't have room for the 50 kinds of 
> snow that some arctic cultures can claim exists, do those types of snow exist 
> for you? No. Do they exist at all? Arguable. It's just 'snow'.
>
> It is clear you have no idea what metaphysics means and are confusing it with 
> mysticism and religion.

Nope. It depends on the person I am talking with. With some it is 
mysticism and religion, with some, such as you, it is thought patterns. I 
have no quarrel with thought patterns, based on electrons. I have enormous 
quarrel with mysticist platonists.

Please refrain from telling me what I am confusing it with. I'd much 
rather you asked me or probe further. I find it annoying when you 
attribute things to me, and I think that is probably why our previous 
discussion escalated.

> Sure, religion is a form of metaphysics, but *so is science*.

No, science is a method. It is far, far from religion. I do not share your 
opinion or definition here.

> Religion is the study of a world that includes a supernatural component.
> Science is the study  of one that does not.

I disagree. Religions are fairy tales. Science is a method and a process. 
Not a study. We simply disagree about definitions here. I suggest we drop 
it.

Religion: The belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers, 
regarded as creating and governing the universe.

Science is defined as the pursuit and application of knowledge and 
understanding of the natural and social world through a systematic 
methodology based on evidence.

Those are my definitions, and I disagree with yours. So if you are arguing 
from different definitions, we will never agree. I think that's pretty 
obvious.

> The question of whether or not there is a supernatural component is proved by 
> neither. In the end you assume what you assume, have faith in it and proceed 
> to collect $200 and avoid going to jail, so to speak.

It is not something that needs to be proven. By definition, anything 
outside the world, cannot be proven inside the world, and hence is 
inherently nonsensical, like one of my examples of metaphysics above.
The real world, and all in it, has been proven by G.E. Moore. We have already
been over this, we disagreed violently, and I will _not_ waste my time repeating
the exact same discussion.

> I have no intrinsic problem with 'materialism' apart from the fact that like 
> religion, it is a remarkably narrow and exclusive view and wholly 
> unsatisfactory in the limit, and like religion, insists it  is the One True 
> Fact.

I disagree, per the above. I think materialism is the most honest, and 
inclusive position we have. It is also a rich position, and one that is 
constantly expanding, to include more and more. Religion, as per my 
definition, is again nonsense, apart from the pragmatic interpretation of 
if it helps you, or the materialistic interpretation (like metaphysics) as 
thought patterns in the brain, and at the end of the day, electrons.

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                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-01 10:36 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-01 18:32 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-12-01 18:49 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-01 22:11 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-01 19:13 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-01 22:14 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-02 01:50 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-02 10:26 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-02 10:27 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-02 15:03 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-02 14:26 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-02 21:36 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2024-12-04 04:03 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-04 11:10 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-04 12:13 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-04 14:07 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-04 14:27 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-04 21:47 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-04 19:02 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-04 22:00 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-05 01:51 -0500
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-05 10:31 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-05 09:36 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-05 13:17 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-06 01:51 -0500
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-06 10:11 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-06 13:41 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-06 18:23 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-06 19:54 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-06 21:40 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 13:23 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 17:50 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 18:10 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 22:57 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-07 01:04 -0500
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 13:23 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-07 00:55 -0500
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-07 08:17 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 11:52 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 14:12 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 11:50 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 14:20 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 18:33 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 18:46 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 23:29 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-06 01:48 -0500
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-06 07:46 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-06 10:09 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-06 13:31 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-06 18:18 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 13:22 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 17:50 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-07 18:45 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 19:10 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-12-07 19:57 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 20:16 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-08 02:56 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 23:25 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-06 20:51 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 11:20 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 13:43 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 17:57 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 18:31 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 23:07 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 22:37 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-08 11:52 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-08 01:39 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-08 11:59 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-08 21:45 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-09 10:33 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-09 12:13 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-09 21:41 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-12-09 21:57 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-10 09:59 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-10 15:54 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-10 15:32 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-09 22:12 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-10 10:05 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-10 15:56 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-10 15:35 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-10 21:11 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-09 12:09 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-08 02:06 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-08 12:04 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-08 21:13 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-09 10:26 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-09 11:56 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-09 21:51 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-10 09:58 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-10 15:54 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-10 21:14 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-10 19:50 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-10 22:04 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-10 23:15 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-11 10:57 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-10 15:21 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-07 19:20 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 23:37 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-07 19:16 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 19:37 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 23:36 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-08 03:36 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-08 12:10 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-08 22:31 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-09 10:43 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-09 23:15 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-10 10:20 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-10 19:31 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-10 22:03 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-11 01:44 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-11 11:03 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-12 01:11 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-12 10:21 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-12 20:08 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-12 21:31 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-13 01:29 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-13 11:13 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-13 20:28 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-14 11:57 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-14 13:03 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-13 10:42 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-13 20:18 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-14 11:54 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-14 11:18 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-14 11:17 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-14 11:28 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-14 13:14 +0000
                Re: Joy of Translation Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2024-12-11 12:33 +0000
                Re: Joy of Translation Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2024-12-11 15:16 +0000
                Re: Joy of Translation rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-12 01:15 +0000
                Re: Joy of Translation Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-12-12 05:06 +0000
                Re: Joy of Translation rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-12 08:24 +0000
                Re: Joy of Translation D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-12 10:37 +0100
                Re: Joy of Translation rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-12 20:15 +0000
                Re: Joy of Translation D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-12 21:33 +0100
                Re: Joy of Translation rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-13 01:47 +0000
                Re: Joy of Translation D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-13 11:20 +0100
                Re: Joy of Translation rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-13 20:50 +0000
                Re: Joy of Translation D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-14 12:00 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-10 15:42 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-10 19:58 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-10 21:12 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-12-10 22:49 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-09 12:37 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-09 21:12 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-10 11:18 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-12-07 19:21 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 19:49 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-07 19:14 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 23:35 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-06 13:18 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-06 18:12 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-07 02:41 -0500
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 11:52 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 13:00 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 17:45 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-07 18:32 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 23:09 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-08 00:28 -0500
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 12:24 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 17:42 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 17:07 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 22:57 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 22:30 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-08 11:51 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 11:59 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 17:39 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 16:54 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 22:48 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 22:26 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-08 11:48 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-08 12:15 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-08 21:50 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-09 11:55 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-09 21:39 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-09 21:26 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-08 22:38 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-09 10:43 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-09 12:40 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-09 21:44 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-09 21:48 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-10 09:56 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-08 00:31 -0500
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-08 08:13 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-08 12:14 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-12-08 19:50 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-08 12:11 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-08 21:49 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-09 11:54 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-09 21:38 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-10 00:19 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-10 15:48 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-09 03:02 -0500
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-09 12:41 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-09 21:47 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-09 12:42 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-09 21:36 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-12-07 02:30 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-07 00:32 -0500
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 13:55 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-02 10:20 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-02 15:02 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-03 00:30 -0500
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-03 10:13 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-03 10:54 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-03 19:14 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-03 21:25 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-04 01:15 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-04 10:37 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-04 18:48 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-04 21:56 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-04 00:44 -0500
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-04 11:12 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-12-04 07:58 -0800
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-04 21:52 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-05 01:37 -0500
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-05 07:16 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2024-12-06 04:02 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-06 05:39 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-05 10:29 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-05 01:28 -0500
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-05 07:34 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-06 01:31 -0500
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-06 13:09 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-06 20:33 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-07 00:19 -0500
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-07 05:37 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 13:30 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-07 19:07 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-06 23:43 -0500
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-07 05:29 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 11:43 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 14:07 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 18:30 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 18:43 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 23:25 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 14:02 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-04 18:15 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-04 21:55 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-05 01:42 -0500
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-05 07:27 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-06 01:40 -0500
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-06 08:00 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-05 10:30 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-05 07:50 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> - 2024-12-06 03:29 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-06 05:25 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-06 10:00 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-06 13:04 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-06 18:09 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-06 19:49 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-06 21:39 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-06 21:15 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 11:24 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-06 09:58 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-06 13:47 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-06 18:24 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) - 2024-12-06 17:29 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-01 19:02 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-03 00:20 -0500
              Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-29 22:50 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-29 23:50 -0500
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-30 06:39 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-30 09:29 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-30 11:57 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-01 04:11 -0500
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-01 11:21 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-01 18:54 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-03 00:10 -0500
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-03 19:32 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-01 03:54 -0500
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-01 11:19 +0100
            Re: Joy of this, Joy of that John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-12-02 12:35 -0800
      Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-28 11:03 +0100

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