Re: Joy of this, Joy of that

From	D <nospam@example.net>
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Subject	Re: Joy of this, Joy of that
Date	2024-12-10 10:20 +0100
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On Tue, 9 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:

> On Mon, 9 Dec 2024 10:43:00 +0100, D wrote:
>
>
>> Are you a buddhist or do you subscribe to some form of personal
>> spirituality? Or is it just an intellectual interest? You seem very
>> knowledgeable!
>
> I have had a lifelong interest in Buddhism, as my bookshelf reflects. I'll
> admit it stemmed from being a 10 year old beatnik wannabe. I could also
> blame Kipling's 'Kim' for an interest in eastern religion. I would say
> it's mostly an intellectual interest though I find much of Buddhist though
> parallels my understanding of the world.

Ah, Kim is an excellent book! I'm a big fan of Kipling. Sometimes, when 
I'm in the mood, I direct woke people to "The white mans burden". ;)

As for asian isms and philosophy I was reading a lot of it in my teenage 
years. Then followed the years of work and earning money, and after a 
while I delved into christians mysticism, and that's when the enormous 
amounts of simlarities hit me.

Now it goes in cycles. Busy at work, little reading, little work, plenty 
of reading.

> However I have the same problem as I have with Christianity. If you don't
> think the world is 'dukkha', which I find similar to the concept of
> original sin, salvation isn't a goal. It is the same as Schopenhauer
> contra Nietzsche.

This is a problem. I am an optimist (long term) by nature, so sin, 
suffering etc. never really corresponded with me. Naturally I'm more into 
life affirming things.

>> I agree completely! I do like Schopenhauers short philosophical texts
>> about everyday life (Parerga und paralipomena). Some of them make
>> perfect sense and are quite approachable.
>
> I've got Hollingdale's 'Essays and Aphorisms' that is a selection. I don't
> know how complete it is. I have read that during his service in WWI Hitler
> carried a copy of Schopenhauer's writings in his knapsack. I assume it was
> Parerga and not the two volumes of The World.

Hmm, didn't they print some Nietzsche too and send out to the soldiers in 
WW1? Hmm, maybe not.

>> But his magnum opus I don't agree with at all.
>
> For me that's back to his pessimism. I think the real person of the 'obit
> anus, abit onus' quote would have been more interesting than the
> intellectual. He probably had a few good rants on Hegel too.

Could he be the original Troll? No, surely that must be Socrates. As a 
man with trollish inclinations, I'm happy that I'm not dealt with like 
the greek dealt with their proto-troll. ;)

I also do not like philosophers with verbal diarrhea. I like philosopher 
who can communicate their thoughts with a minimum of writing. Even though 
I find him quite complicated, in terms of writing style, I also like 
Wittgenstein.

>> Nietzsche on the other hand, is much better at writing, and although I
>> do not think that it is just a bunch of random aphorisms, I do believe
>> there is a theme, they are quite a puzzle to fit together.
>>
>> Add to that, that his views changed. My favourite is the middle period
>> Nietzsche who does see the promise in science and rationality.
>
> That is more interesting than Schopenhauer. He may have done a little
> polishing but he was a one trick pony, unlike Nietzsche. I'm currently re-
> reading the unfinished 'Philosophy in the Tragic Age of the Greeks' that's
> quite linear. Prior to that I'd reread the late works, Twilight,
> Antichrist, and Ecce Homo. Next I'll redo the middle. It's been some time
> since I've read 'Untimely Meditations', the others I've hit more recently.
> TBH Zarathustra is my least favorite of the while corpus.

I haven't really looked much into early Nietzsche, but if anything, I'll 
probably try one of his later works.

>
>> But another thing I like about Nietzsche, at least for me, is that his
>> short aphorisms serve as a spring board for me for my own reflections
>> and philosophy. I find it very inspirational. The anti-christ I also
>> like with its critique of institutionalized christianity and how
>> damaging it has been to society.
>
> 'The Will to Power' is one my bathroom book pile. I read random selections
> like some people do with the bible. I don't trust the llama as an editor
> but I'm glad she undertook the project.

How much of it is Nietzsche and how much did his sister change?

> Antichrist reminds me of the Jefferson Bible and some of the newer
> projects. Pauline Christianity has nothing to do with Jesus. I think by
> then Nietzsche felt bad about sniping at poor old Strauss.

Haha, yes, the trollish tendencies again? ;)

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                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-08 08:13 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-08 12:14 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-12-08 19:50 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-08 12:11 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-08 21:49 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-09 11:54 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-09 21:38 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-10 00:19 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-10 15:48 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-09 03:02 -0500
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-09 12:41 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-09 21:47 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-09 12:42 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-09 21:36 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-12-07 02:30 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-07 00:32 -0500
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 13:55 +0000

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