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| From | Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.unix.programmer, comp.lang.c |
| Subject | Re: Odd compiler behaviour? |
| Date | 2016-03-02 13:52 -0800 |
| Organization | None to speak of |
| Message-ID | <lnoaawtumt.fsf@kst-u.example.com> (permalink) |
| References | (16 earlier) <8760x48x2b.fsf@mantic.terraraq.uk> <barmar-A43663.15322302032016@88-209-239-213.giganet.hu> <87ziug7gds.fsf@mantic.terraraq.uk> <barmar-94A096.16014302032016@88-209-239-213.giganet.hu> <87lh607fig.fsf@mantic.terraraq.uk> |
Cross-posted to 2 groups.
Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> writes:
> Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> writes:
>> Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>>> Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> writes:
>>>> Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>> It doesn’t matter what the purpose is. If we’re making statements
>>>>> about the semantics of C programs, what that matters is the
>>>>> requirements in the language specification.
>>>>
>>>> My original statement was about the philosophy behind the design of
>>>> the C language.
>>>
>>> In that case I think the “has always” was rather misleading, since it
>>> certainly doesn’t reflect C as specified since 1989, i.e for more
>>> than half the language’s lifetime.
>>
>> I talked about the evolution of the language. What are the changes since
>> 1989 that preclude the kinds of straightforward mappings I've been
>> talking about?
>
> I have no idea why you think I’m claiming straightforward mappings are
> precluded. They’re not. The issue is that they are not required and it
> is misleading to imply that they are.
Yes, it would be misleading to imply that straightforward mappings are
required. So it's fortunate that nobody has implied any such thing, and
that both Barry and I have repeatedly said that they are not. I believe
you are misreading Barry's statement.
Would you agree that permitting (not requiring) straightforward mappings
is part of (not all of) the rationale for the way C is specified?
--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Working, but not speaking, for JetHead Development, Inc.
"We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this."
-- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"
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