Re: size of

From	Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c
Subject	Re: size of
Date	2013-08-20 16:18 -0700
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Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> writes:
> On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 07:58:48 -0500, Stephen Sprunk
> <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote:
[...]
>>For instance, if size_t is only 32 bits on a given implementation, then
>>that means that implementation is not capable of creating an array
>>larger than 4G elements.
>
> Isn't it even more restrictive.  Since sizeof can be applied to the
> array and evaluates to a size_t, then the array cannot contain more
> the 4G bytes (and can contain 4G elements only if sizeof(element) is
> 1.)

From a language-lawyer point of view, I'd argue that there's no
prohibition in the standard against creating objects bigger than
SIZE_MAX bytes, or even SIZE_MAX elements where each element might
be bigger than one byte.

You can't do it with malloc(), but you could use calloc():

    double *huge = calloc(SIZE_MAX, sizeof *huge);

or just by defining an array object:

    double huge_array[SIZE_MAX][SIZE_MAX][SIZE_MAX];

sizeof is an operator, and I'd argue that like most other operators,
it can overflow, resulting in undefined behavior.  So `sizeof
huge_array` would have undefined behavior, but that wouldn't
necessarily prevent you from creating it and accessing its elements.

And you can't directly apply sizeof to an object created by malloc
or calloc anyway.

I'm making a fairly narrow point here: that *if* an implementation
were to permit objects bigger than SIZE_MAX bytes or elements,
that would not by itself make that implementation non-conforming.
(If there's something in the standard that contradicts this, please
let me know.)

Practically speaking, though, any *sane* implementation will have
some upper bound on the size of an object, and will make size_t
big enough to represent that size.

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org  <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Working, but not speaking, for JetHead Development, Inc.
"We must do something.  This is something.  Therefore, we must do this."
    -- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

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