Re: size of

From	Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com>
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Subject	Re: size of
Date	2013-08-18 22:08 -0700
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On Sat, 17 Aug 2013 03:21:47 -0700, Malcolm McLean wrote:

>> In which case, if you're using an int or an unsigned int, rather than a
>> size_t to handle sizes, you're creating failure conditions when the
>> size exceeds the bounds of your integer type, which should have been
>> size_t.

> int should be the natural integer size for the machine.

Which says nothing about the ability of a size_t to exceed this supposed 
"natural integer size".

> Usually we can
> live with the fact that it can only index 2GB of memory. 

WTF?  Since when can a 16-bit int index 2GB of memory?  Or are you 
suggesting 16-bit systems no longer exist?

> Since it's
> signed,
> a decent platform can give an overflow error if we attempt to assign a
> result with is too large to one.

So, you're planning to rely on platform-generated errors, which aren't 
required by the language, to deal with your problems resulting from over/
underflowing the range of an int, all to avoid using the proper type, 
size_t?

What, precisely, is the point of this, other than to make your code as 
fragile and non-portable as possible?

> Because of a quirk in the C standard,
> this isn't allowed for a size_t. So if loadimage() contains a loop like
>  while( (ch = fgetc(fp)) ! EOF) N++;
> N must wrap on overflow. It's not allowed to behave any differently.

If it overflows, you're getting wrong results in any case, so whatever 
meaningful tasks you were planning to perform are now moot.

Again, why is bad programming practice somehow an argument against size_t?

>> > I agree that use of a size_t makes it difficult to distinguish the
>> > error case from the empty case. Some OSs do allow files of length
>> > zero.
>> 
>> Improper code design is not an argument against size_t, it's an
>> argument against writing code that way.
>> 
> If a language is Turing equivalent than, by definition, it's possible to
> write correct programs in that language.

It is also possible to write bad code in every language.  This still 
doesn't explain why writing bad code is an argument against size_t.

>> > If this was real code, what environment would you expect to see it
>> > in?
>> 
>> None whatsoever, ideally.  Not unless it is backed by a largish set of
>> fundamental requirements, none of which are thus far documented here,
>> which would render the issues raised moot or largely so.
>>
> It would be running in a casual debug/ testing environment.

It shouldn't be running at all, as it is abysmally poor code.  It should 
be taken out and buried, and its author flogged.  Unless, as previously 
noted, it's either a C noob's early assignment, or backed by a non-
trivial set of requirements and guarantees.

> You can't
> document and acceptance test all your testing code, or you create an
> infinite regression.
> So it's very likely that loadimage() has an error, and is being
> debugged.
> That's why someone wants to print out the raster bytes. So it's not a
> stretch to suppose that the size it returns is actually less than  the
> size of the header.

Which *still* leaves unanswered the question why bad code is an argument 
against size_t - a question you persistently refuse to answer.

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