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Re: size of

From Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: size of
Date 2013-08-20 20:44 -0700
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On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 13:58:50 -0700, Malcolm McLean wrote:

> On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 4:17:30 PM UTC+1, Keith Thompson wrote:
>> Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> writes:
>> 
>> > Because of the plug and socket problem. If you could train everyone
>> > to be absolutely consistent in using size_t for an index variable,
>> > then that solution would be viable. But people won't, largely because
>> > of the choice of name, and the underscore.
>> 
>> 
>> Oh, it's about the *underscore*.  Well then.
>> 
> Exactly.
> People don't want to use a type with an underscore in its name as a
> general- purpose index and counting variable.

People demonstrate using a type as an index or counting variable, as I 
can't see how that works:

for ( int = 0; int < 3; int++ ) ...

Of course, if you meant something like:

for ( size_t n = 0; n < 3; n++ ) ...

then you might have had a point, sort of, except that there's no 
underscore in "n".

If people don't want to use index variables with names such as "index_x", 
they are welcome to choose their own variable names, without underlines.


> They think of those as
> integers.

Er... who thinks of what as integers?  ints and size_ts *are* all 
integers (well, integer types), so thinking of them as integers is not 
wildly incorrect.

> Most integers in most programs will be either sizes of things in memory,
> counts of things in memory, or indexes of things in memory.

And size_t encompasses all these, whereas int, for example, often won't.  
Yes, and?


> Enumerated
> types eventually resolve to an index into a table of attributes,
> usually. Even chars usually end up indexing into a glyph table, as the
> last step of processing.
> People simply won't use size_t everywhere. So once you admit size_t into
> you programs, you get a mishmash of integer types, which causes problems
> and errors.

What, you can handle char and short and long and int, plus their unsigned 
and explicitly signed flavours, but size_t causes you total developmental 
breakdown?  Might I suggest, if true, that the problem has nothing to do 
with size_t?


> You can use int as an index for employees, of course. It's perfectly
> plausible that you'll have a 16 bit machine, and it's perfectly
> plausible that you'll have a client with more than 32767 (get it right)
> employees.
> But the situation where a payroll for 32768 employees has to be run on a
> 16-bit machine is highly unlikely to arise.

Indeed.  However, it's a lot less unlikely to have to process an object 
of >= 32868 bytes on such a machine - an image, for example.  Or a sound 
file.  Or any of a thousand other things.

And again, size_t works as the type for handling the sizes and the 
indexing, where int falls on its face on such a machine... and size_t 
continues to work as expected when moving to an I32 or I64 platform.  Or 
even an I512 platform.

Imagine that, a type, *specifically* created to handle *exactly* this 
sort of situation, worked as expected.  You'd think it was all planned 
out or something.

Much better to use ints, of course, because... er... wait, no, we've yet 
to see an actual sensible reason for that, other than what appears to be 
your fundamental problem with size_t... that it has an underline in it.

Get over it.



> Everything works as long as int is the "natural integer size for the
> machine".

Unless it doesn't work, as in the case of the image mentioned above, in 
which case int, being the natural size of the machine, promptly pukes, 
where size_t works.

> Add size_t, and you do horrible damage to the entire language. It starts
> a process where you have thirty or so integer types. Nothing fits
> together,
> if you've got thirty types of plug and thirty types of socket, the
> probability that a plug won't fit a socket you need is very high.

So you insist that the solution is to always use the wrong-sized plug, 
instead of the proper-sized plug?  Your reasoning here is as bizarre as 
your dislike of underscores.

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                Re: size of gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2013-08-22 09:19 +0000
                Re: size of Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2013-08-21 10:07 +1200
                Re: size of glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-08-20 23:58 +0000
                Re: size of Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-08-23 11:24 +0300
                Re: size of glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-08-23 10:52 +0000
                Re: size of "James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2013-08-23 12:09 +0100
                Re: size of Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-08-23 17:52 +0300
                Re: size of Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2013-08-20 16:21 -0700
                Re: size of Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2013-08-21 02:23 -0700
                Re: size of glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2013-08-21 10:05 +0000
                Re: size of Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2013-08-21 03:23 -0700
                Re: size of Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2013-08-21 08:22 -0700
                Re: size of Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2013-08-21 18:54 +0100
                Re: size of Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2013-08-21 13:51 -0700
                Re: size of Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2013-08-21 13:41 -0500
                Re: size of Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2013-08-21 08:42 -0700
                Re: size of Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com> - 2013-08-20 20:44 -0700
                Re: size of Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2013-08-21 02:30 -0700
                Re: size of Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2013-08-21 08:30 -0700
                Re: size of Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com> - 2013-08-18 22:15 -0700
                Re: size of Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com> - 2013-08-18 22:08 -0700
        Re: size of Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2013-08-18 20:49 -0700
  Re: size of Sjouke Burry <burrynulnulfour@ppllaanneett.nnll> - 2013-08-14 01:09 +0200
    Re: size of Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2013-08-13 17:31 -0700
      Re: size of Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2013-08-13 22:09 -0600
        Re: size of James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2013-08-14 07:03 -0400
          Re: size of Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2013-08-14 10:02 -0600
            Re: size of James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2013-08-14 12:29 -0400
              Re: size of Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2013-08-14 14:44 -0500
                Re: size of James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2013-08-14 16:03 -0400

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