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Re: Ehrenfest paradox

From	Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: Ehrenfest paradox
Date	2024-01-14 07:23 +0100
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Am 10.01.2024 um 15:05 schrieb Richard Hachel:
> Le 10/01/2024 à 09:49, Thomas Heger a écrit :
>> I'm not attacking relativity per se.
>>
>> Possibly the example of the rotating disk has some merits and
>> eventually the predicted effect do in fact occur.
>>
>> I'm actually attacking the idea, that rotating FoRs are equivalent to
>> non-rotating FoRs.
>>
>> Rotation is actually measurable, because it involves acceleration and
>> that is measurable without external refence points.
>>
>> (Inertial motion is not measurable without refence points, but
>> contains no accelerations.)
>>
>> As evidence I quote:
>
> For inertial movements, you simply need to have two points O and O'
> which intersect, and you trigger the watches.
>
> For rotating movements, you need to have a ray that crosses another, and
> you trigger the watches.

A major error of Einstein and SRT is the use of watches per se.

The problem is, that light has finite velocity, even if light is very fast.

But this finite velocity of light would make remote watches look 
seemingly too late (by the time the signals of light take to travel from 
the watch to the observer).

Now it would be a VERY (!!!) stupid idea to compensate this difference 
and adjust one of the clocks, that there is seemingly no deleay.

Instead the delay had to be measured and added to the time seen at the 
remote clock.

But Einstein didn't do that (or even mentioned the delay!).



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TH

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