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Re: Ehrenfest paradox

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Am 08.01.2024 um 21:07 schrieb Richard Hachel:
> Le 06/01/2024 à 08:44, Thomas Heger a écrit :
>> Am 05.01.2024 um 13:33 schrieb Richard Hachel:
>>
>>>> I assume a system behind this phenomenon.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not quite sure, but would guess, that a world exists, where time
>>>> runs backbards (from our perspective).
>>>>
>>>> This world is inhabited by intelligent beeings and our (earthly)
>>>> 'Elite' has managed to connect with these beings.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Now they exchange knowledge, what makes our elite superrich and also
>>>> the elite of this 'otherworld'.
>>>>
>>>> In exchange for knowledge about future events, the locals had to
>>>> immitate the behaviour of these otherworldly leaders.
>>>>
>>>> Since they have a time, which runs into the opposite direction, their
>>>> behaviour is totally illogic, because they constantly create bad out
>>>> of good.
>>>>
>>>> This behaviour is called 'satanism' and means, that the adepts have to
>>>> create mess out of order.
>>>>
>>>> The ortherwordly leaders want this, because our world is nice, but
>>>> toxic for beings from a world, where time runs backwards.
>>>>
>>>> They want this world (our Earth) to become gradually more inhabitable,
>>>> hence more and more satanic.
>>>>
>>>> So, satanism is actually meant good, but time-reverted.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> TH
>>>
>>> We enter metaphysics.
>>> And so we are off topic.
>>> I have described quite a bit about the nature of space-time, and
>>> whatever anyone says, I remain one of the most rational theorists of
>>> physics.
>>> Many “pundits” as they say, say absolutely anything, and imagine
>>> “Minkowski spaces”, “time travel”, “spatio-temporal wormholes”.
>>> You have to stay serious.
>>> I have already given the equations.
>>> Furthermore, this abstract physics is ridiculous and contradictory, and
>>> involves hellish paradoxes.
>>> Suppose we go back in time to kill a dictator. But as the years go by,
>>> we realize that the damage would have been even worse if the
>>> dictatorship had not existed. So we send someone back to make sure we
>>> kill this dictator. But ten years later, we realize that it is not. It
>>> was better to kill the dictator, and someone was sent to prevent the
>>> dictator from being killed, and so on ad infinitum.
>>
>> It is easy to overcome this problem and I have found a method to do this.
>>
>> It is relatively simple and is more effective, the more people use it.
>>
>> The idea is, that any future is good for you, but for the bad guys
>> with reverted time only the predictable future is good.
>>
>> So: make future more unpredictable!
>>
>> E.g. you could decide to make almost everything you do better than
>> required.
>>
>> This would cut causality relations, because if you have no reasons to
>> make things better than you have to, you have no predictable cause to
>> do something useful.
>>
>> Everybody will most liekly applaude and you brake absolutely no law,
>> but will make timetravel harder than it already is.
>>
>> Another method is even simpler:
>>
>> in case you cannot decide something yourself, you can flip a coin and
>> regard the result as order of God.
>>
>> Or you could help people (also: animals, plants or even things) who do
>> not really deserve that.
>>
>> This would bring an additional element of unpredicability into the
>> world, which would disallow timetravel.
>>
>> Extreme cleanness is a good method, too, because it lowers entropy in
>> your realm.
>>
>>
>>> This is obviously a huge causality problem.
>>> All these problems do not exist in my physics.
>>
>> Sure, but timetravelers care about them.
>>
>>
>> TH
>
> In fact, I gave the relativistic transformations which seemed correct to
> me for the resolution of the paradox, and we see that precisely, with
> these transformations the paradox does not exist.
>
> I see with semi-surprise that no one denies or confirms these
> transformations.
>
> Could it be false?
>
> <http://news2.nemoweb.net/jntp?xVWFx0j8enEmyTfxa5f0R-lFg-M@jntp/Data.Media:1>
>
I personally regard euclidean coordinates as 'unphysical'.

I recommend spherical coordinates instead, which are based on spherical 
angels and distance.

Now, rotation changes -obviously- the angles, while leaving distance 
constant.

So I have no real incentive to mess with euclidean coordinates in the 
way you do.

Eventually I would apply SRT/Lorentz transformation upon the distance. 
But the spherical angles change anyhow with rotation.

Possibly the circumference can also shrink, as Eherenfest assumed, if 
tangetial velocity near c is reached.

But no observer could measure the shrinking of a - say- planet, roating 
at such a pace, because he would be shot into space long before such a 
speed is reached.

TH

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