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Re: Ehrenfest paradox

From	Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: Ehrenfest paradox
Date	2024-01-15 08:12 +0100
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Am 15.01.2024 um 01:17 schrieb Python:
...
>>>
>>> A major error of Einstein and SRT is the use of watches per se.
>>>
>>> The problem is, that light has finite velocity, even if light is very
>>> fast.
>>>
>>> But this finite velocity of light would make remote watches look
>>> seemingly too late (by the time the signals of light take to travel
>>> from the watch to the observer).
>>>
>>> Now it would be a VERY (!!!) stupid idea to compensate this
>>> difference and adjust one of the clocks, that there is seemingly no
>>> deleay.
>>>
>>> Instead the delay had to be measured and added to the time seen at
>>> the remote clock.
>>>
>> That's exactly how Einstein's clock synchronization method works. It
>> takes into account the time it takes for a signal to get from the
>> local clock to the remote clock and the time it takes for a signal to
>> get from the remote clock to the local clock.
>>
>
> This has been shown to Thomas several times, his misunderstanding of
> paragraph I.1 of Einstein paper is abysmal. He's sticking on the
> idiotic claim that if delay is not mentioned then it means that delay
> is ignored... Ironically enough Hachel's claim is that delay should be
> ignored... Cranks are insufferable...


This is wrong, because Einstein didn't mention the delay with a single 
word anywhere in 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies'!!!

This is a VERY (!!!) serious error, because Einstein also made efforts 
to compensate the delay by adjusting the tick-rate of the remote clock 
or by adjusting the time of the clock or the time of the remote system 
per se.

This was all wrong, while the correct solution was never mentioned.

this would be:

measure the delay and add it to the reading od the remote clock.


This solution is so simple and obvious, that hardly anybody will be able 
to reject it.

But instead of a simple and obvious solution a pompouse nonsense was 
produced and forcefully shuffled into the minds of the defenseless public.


TH

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  Re: Ehrenfest paradox Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2024-01-03 09:53 -0800
  Re: Ehrenfest paradox Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-01-04 08:23 +0100
    Re: Ehrenfest paradox Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2024-01-04 10:05 +0000
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