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Re: Pythagoras, the first major plagiarist of babylonian math, 1000 years before.

From	Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com>
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Subject	Re: Pythagoras, the first major plagiarist of babylonian math, 1000 years before.
Date	2023-10-23 09:37 +0200
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On 2023-10-23 06:36:05 +0000, Thomas Heger said:

> Am 22.10.2023 um 10:38 schrieb J. J. Lodder:
>> Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2023-10-21 16:53:41 +0000, Volney said:
>>> 
>>>> On 10/21/2023 4:55 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>> Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Am 19.10.2023 um 12:04 schrieb J. J. Lodder:
>>>>>>> Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Am 18.10.2023 um 10:53 schrieb J. J. Lodder:
>>>>>>>>> Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Any good Maoist knows that relativity is 'the epitome of bourgeois
>>>>>>>>>> science', which is wrong, since it conflicts with proletarian
>>>>>>>>>> science."
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Well, maybe I should try:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 'Good Maoist' is imho an oxymoron, since 'good' and 'Maoist' conflict
>>>>>>>>>> with each other.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> It is just your understanding of 'good' that is wrong.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I don't think so, because Mao holds actually the (current)
>>>>>>>> all-time-record for mass murder.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Your English needs more work,
>>>> 
>>>>>> Well, yes, but I'm trying to enhance my abilities all the time.
>>>>> 
>>>>> For your information, you are failing.
>>>>> There really is more to English than your high school textbooks.
>>>>> In particular, 'good' has many more meanings than 'morally good'.
>>>>> One of them is 'being a true follower in a doctrine',
>>>>> so for example a good Maoist, but also a good Catholic, etc.
>>>>> 
>>>> That is correct. English can be very subtle at times with definitions,
>>>> which is why it can be so difficult for non-English speaking people to
>>>> learn. In this case "good Maoist" does mean someone faithful to and
>>>> believing the teachings of Mao, and definitely does not have the
>>>> meaning of "not bad" or "not evil" which would make the phrase
>>>> contradictory.
>>> 
>>> Getting away from the (real) faults of English, and back to the point
>>> "Mao holds actually the (current)
>>> all-time-record for mass murder," it is certainly true that many people
>>> during Mao's time, but most of y deaths cannot be called murder. Mostly
>>> they were a consequence of incompetent management of the Great Leap
>>> Forward.
>> 
>> And even that is questionable.
>> Consider the situation when Mao took power:
>> China had a huge and rapidly growing population,
>> and almost all of that population was engaged in highly labor-intensive
>> and low-productivity agriculture.
>> Industial production was next to nothing by comparison.
>> (and most of what little there had been before WWII
>> was destroyed by the Japanese, who also killed off the skilled labour)
>> On top of the miseries of WWII, which was as bad as WWII in the West,
>> they had a civil war following it.
>> The nearly complete boycot of the USA and its allies
>> after the civil war was over didn't help either.
>> Starvation was already the rule in much of China before Mao took over.
>> Mao's China was obviously in a non-sustainable situation,
>> and something drastic had to be done about it.
>> 
>> Let those who say 'mass murder' explain
>> what -they- would have done about it,
>> given the disastrous situation the country was in,
>> and how that would have worked out better.
> 
> 
> Well, maybe you are right.
> 
> But as far as I can tell, the Soviet Shithead named (himself) 'Stalin' 
> had the intention to kill.

Not the same person as Mao, so what does your diatribe have to do with 
Jan's points?

As for Stalin, maybe he wanted to practise Christian love as taught to 
him during his five years in a seminary training to be a priest. You 
can call him Ioseb Besarionis dze Jughashvili if you like (and don't 
care about being understood) but Stalin is easier to say and what 
everyone does say.
> 
> He stole the crops in the Ukraine with the intention to starve the 
> Ukrainians to death.
> 
> Or :soldiers were executed, who refused to fight and moved backwards, 
> when German tanks approached and they didn't even had a gun.
> 
> He also killed returning prisoners (Soviet citicens!) of war, after the 
> British returned them by force in Bleiburg to the Soviets.
> 
> Masses of people were murdered in the Gulags for political reason and 
> without any reason at all and many of them at the order of the dictator.
> 
> Also most of the refugees from Germany were killed, who fleed  Nazi 
> Germany and took refuge in Moscow.
> 
> Also most of the German prisoners of war were killed after WWII.
> 
> Latvia for instance had a population of 4 million and about 800,000 
> died in the prisons in Siberia.
> 
> And that goes an on and on and on.
> 
> So possibly Stalin was worse than Mao (at least a little).
> 
> 
> TH


-- 
athel -- biochemist, not a physicist, but detector of crackpots

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