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Re: ...all those Science guys

From Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: ...all those Science guys
Date 2022-06-12 07:45 +0200
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Am 11.06.2022 um 21:12 schrieb The Starmaker:
> Thomas Heger wrote:
>>
>> Am 10.06.2022 um 07:37 schrieb The Starmaker:
>>> Most people are not aware...
>>> (even among this very newsgroup)
>>> that  all those Science guys
>>> who worked on
>>> The Manhattan Project
>>> *didn't* want to work on
>>> The Manhattan Project.
>>>
>>> They had better things
>>> to do than work for
>>> Albert Einstein's project.
>>>
>>> Those science guys were
>>> *forced* to work on
>>> The Manhattan Project.
>>>
>>> Against their will.
>>>
>>> They were ...drafted.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> The atomic bomb was most likely well known, before the Manhattan Project
>> even started (most likely known by Einstein himself).
>>
>> The reason:
>>
>> the inventor of the atomic bomb Leo Szillard and Einstein have patented
>> a 'fridge', which has only one known use in a fast breeding reactor.
>>
>> Therefore there was a need for such a device already in 1930 in Germany.
>>
>> And the only known use of a fast breeding reactor is to produce Plutonium.
>>
>> And for this dangerous element we also have only a single known reason:
>> atomic bombs.
>>
>> That's why we have to think about Mega-fraud in connection to the
>> Manhattan project, too.
>>
>> A 'good' reason for this project could have been, that all participants
>> were sworn into secrecy, hence could not question the public narrative.
>>
>> TH
>
> You need to correct your incorrect word 'fridge' to what Albert Einstein
> wrote and called it:REFRIGERATION
>
> It's right there in capitol letters on top of his patert:REFRIGERATION
>
> https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/e9/74/2cde176701fab8/US1781541.pdf
>
> https://patents.google.com/?inventor=Einstein+Albert&sort=old
>
>
> The definition of REFRIGERATION is; a process of removing heat from
> an enclosed space or from a substance for the purpose of lowering the
> temperature.
>
> the  "process";a series of actions or steps taken in order to achieve a
> particular end.
>
>
>
>
> Description
> NOW 1930- AI'EINSTEIN ET AL. ,78 ,541
> REFRIGERATION Filed Dec. 16 1927 Patented Nov. 11, 1930 UNITED STATES
> PATENT OFFICE ALBERT EINSTEIN, OF BERLIN, AND LEO SZILARD, OF BERI
> IN-WILMERSDORF, GER- MANY, ASSIGNORS TO ELECT-ROLUX SERVEL CORPORATION,
> OF NEW YORK, N. Y., .A.
> REFRIGERATION an inert gas-and more particularly to the type disclosed
> in Patent No. 1,685,764 granted September 25th, 1928, to Von Platen and
> Munters and our British Patent No. 282,428.
> The objects and advantages of our invention will be apparent from the
> following description considered in connection with the accompanying
> drawing which shows, more or less diagrammatically, a preferred
> embodiment of our invention.
> Referring to the drawing. reference character 1 designates an
> evaporator, which is ordinarily placed within a chamber to be cooled. A
> conduit 5 connects the upper part of evaporator 1 with the more
> intermediate portion 1 tends within condenser 6 at a level below the
> point ofcommunication of conduit -5 with the condenser. A cooling water
> jacket 12 surrounds the condenser and is adapted for the passage
> therethrough of water for the purpose of cooling the condenser.
> A conduit 27 communicates with the bottom of condenser 6 and with the
> lower part of a heat exchanger jacket 28. The upper part of jacket 28 is
> connected to the lower part of generator 29. Generator 29 is heated in
> any suitable manner. Aconduit 30 communicates with the upper part of
> generator 29 and extends within evaporator to a point near the I bottom
> thereof where it terminates in a disupwardly to. within the, upper "part
> 'of con- Our invention relates to the art of refrig- Application filed
> December 16, 1927, Serial No. 240,566, and in Germany December 16, 1926.
> denser 6 where it terminates in a distributor head 35. Conduit 37 passes
> within cooling water jacket 12 in order that fluid passing through this
> conduit may be cooled. A vent condult 34 connects the upper part of
> container 33 with the upper part of condenser 6.
> The operation of the above described apparatus is as follows: r
> A suitable refrigerant; for instance butane, in liquid form is'contained
> within evaporator 1. An inert gas, for instance ammonia, is introduced
> into evaporator 1 through conduit 30 and distributor head 31. The
> refrigerant evaporates in the evaporator in the presence of the inert
> gas due to the fact that the partial pressure of the refrigerant is
> reduced thereby and the resulting gaseous mixture passes through conduit
> 5 to within condenser 6. Here the mixture'comes in intimate contact with
> an absorption liquid, for example water, which is introduced into the
> condenser through conduit 37 and distributor head 35. Inasmuch as the
> ammonia gas is very soluble in water, while the butane is quite
> insoluble, the ammonia gas is absorbed by the water, thus freeing the
> butane from the gaseous mix ture. Thus the butane assumes substantially
> the entire pressure within the condenser, which pressure is suflicient
> to cause its liquefaction at the temperature maintained therein by the
> cooling water.
> The specific gravity of liquid butane is less than that of the solution
> of ammonia in water and hence stratification of the two, liquids occurs,
> the liquid butane floating upon the ammonia solution. The latter
> solution is indicated by reference character 26. The liquid butane
> passes from condenser 6 through conduit 11 and returns toevaporator 1,
> where it is again evaporated and the cycle repeated.
> The ammonia solution flows b gravity from condenser 6 through conduit 2;
> and heat exchanger jacket 28 to within generator 29. Here the
> application of heat causes the ammonia to be expelled as a gas from the
> solution and this ammonia gas passes through conduit 30 and distributor
> head 31 to within evaporator 1, where it reduces the partial pressure of
> the butane, wherefore the latter evaporates as previously described.
> Water, containing but little ammonia in solution, passes from generator
> 29 into conduit.32 where it is further heated by the source of heat 36.
> This heating causes the formation of vapor in conduit 32 which lifts
> liquid through this conduit to within container 33. The liquid thus
> supplied to container 33 may pass by gravity through conduit 37 to
> condenser 6. The'hot'weak liquid passing through conduit 87 is brought
> into heat exchange relationship with the cool strong liquid passing
> through heat exchanger jacket 28 and an exchange of heat between the two
> liquids takes place. The weak liquid is further cooled by being brought
> into heat exchange relation with the cooling water in jacket 12 and is
> hence ina condition to rapidly absorb ammonia in the condenser.
> Vapor entering container 33 from conduit- 32 passes therefrom through
> vent conduit 34 to the condenser.
> During the operation of the hereinbefore described apparatus, the
> pressure existing in the various members is uniform with the exception
> of slight pressure differences, sufficient to cause flow of.fluids.
> caused by liquid columns. The pressure existing in generator 29 must be
> sufficiently greater than that existing in the upper part of evaporator
> 1 to cause the flow of vapor to take placefrom distributor head 31, or,
> in other words, to overcome the liquid head designated by k This excess
> pressure in the generator is balanced by the head exerted by the column
> of liquid equal to the differences in levels between the liquid in
> condenser 6 and generator 29, indicated by k It is, of course, necessary
> that the head represented by h is less than that represented by h, in
> order that flow shall take place While we have described a preferred
> embodiment for carrying out our invention, it is to be understood that
> modifications thereof fall within the scope of the invention,
> which is to be limited only by the appended claims viewed in the light
> of the prior art.
> What we claim is: 1. Refrigerating apparatus comprising a generator, a
> condenser arranged at a higher level than the generator, an evaporator,
> a.
> container arranged at a higher level than the condenser, said generator
> containing an inert gas dissolved in absorption liquid andadapted to
> expel the inert gas from solution, a conduit for conducting the inert
> gas from the generator to the evaporator, a conduit for conducting
> liquid refrigerant from the condenser to the evaporator, a conduit for
> conducting mixed vapor of refrigerant and inert gas from the evaporator
> to the condenser 1n heat exchange relation' with inert gas passing into
> the evaporator, a, conduit for conductmgnch absorption liquid from
> thecondenser to the generator by gravity, a congenerator, a condenser
> arranged at a higher level than the generator, an evaporator, a
> container arranged at a higher level than the condenser, said generator
> containing aninert gas dissolved in absorption liquid and adapted to
> expel the inert gas from solution, a conduit for conducting the inert
> gas from the generator to the evaporator, a conduit for conducting
> liquid refrigerant from the condenser to the evaporator, a conduit for
> conducting mixed vapor of refrigerant and inert gas from the evaporator
> to the condenser in heat exchange relation with inert gas passing into
> the evaporator, a conduit for conducting rich absorption liquid from the
> condenser to the generator by gravity, a conduit for conducting weak
> absorption liquid from said container to said condenser by gravity, a
> conduit extending upwardly from said generator to said container, means
> to heat the last-mentioned conduitto lift liquid from the generator to
> the container and a vent conduit connecting the upper part of said
> container Withsaid condenser.
> 3. Refrigerating apparatus comprising a generator, a condenser arranged
> at a higher level than the generator, an evaporator, a container
> arranged at a higher level than the condenser, said generator containing
> ammonia dissolved in water and adapted to expel the ammonia from
> solution, a conduit for conducting the ammonia gas from the generator to
> the evaporator, a conduit for conducting liquid butane from the
> condenser to the evaporator, a conduit for conducting mixed vapor of
> butane and ammonia from the evaporator to the condenser in heat exchange
> relation with ammonia gas passing into the evaporator, a conduit for
> conducting strong solution of ammonia in water from the condenser to the
> generator by gravity,
> a conduit for conducting weak solution of ammonia in water from said
> container to said condenser by gravity, a conduit extending upwardly
> from said generator to said container and means to heat the last-men
> tioned conduit to lift liquid'from the generator to the container.
> 4. Refrigerating apparatus comprising a generator, a condenser arranged
> at a higher level than the generator, an evaporator, a container
> arranged at a higher level than the condenser, said generator containing
> ammonia dissolved in water and adapted to expel the ammonia from
> solution, a conduit for conducting the ammonia gas from the generator'to
> the evaporator, a conduit for conducting liquid butane from the
> condenser to the evaporator,' a conduit for conducting mixed vapor of
> butane and ammonia from the evaporator to the condenser in heat exchange
> relation with ammonia gas passing into the evaporator, a conduit for
> conduct-- ing strong solution of ammonia in water from the condenser to
> the generator by gravity, a conduit for conducting weak solution of
> ammonia in water from said container to said 7 condenser by gravity, a
> conduit extending upwardly from said generator to said container, means
> to heat the last-mentioned conduit to lift liquid from the generator to
> the container and a vent conduit connecting the upper part of said
> container with said condenser. v
> 5; Method of refrigerating which comprises evaporating a liquidcooling
> agent in the presence of an inert gas to absorb heat and thus forming a
> gaseous mixture of cooling agent and inert gas, conveying the gaseous
> mixture into the presence of an absorption liquid at such condition that
> the cooling agent condenses on beingdeprived of inert gas in gaseous
> mixture therewith due'to the introduction of absorption liquid intothe
> presence of the inert as, separating the solution of inert gas in a
> sorption medium from the condensed cooling agent, returning the
> condensed cooling agent to the presence of the inert gas,- separating
> the inert gas and absorption liquid by heat, circulating the absorption
> liquid by means of a separate ource of heat to the presence of the
> gaseous mix- 33 ture of cooling agent and inert gas and returning the
> inert gas to the presence of the liquid cooling. agent.
> In testimony whereof we hereunto aflix our signatures. 40 ALBERT
> EINSTEIN. LEO SZILARD.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> It is simply used to cool the reactor core to prevent a China syndrome.
>
> https://www.nrc.gov/images/reading-rm/basic-ref/students/student-pwr.gif
>
> https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/e9/74/2cde176701fab8/US1781541.pdf


In Germany abstract concepts like refridgeration cannot be patented, but 
technical devices can be patented.

This is different in the USA, where almost everything can be patented.

So: his German patent was about a device, because refridgeration per se 
was not patentable in Germany.

Much later students tried to replicate the device and found, it didn't work.

That's why I thought, the device was not meant to cool household items 
like food.

But Einstein received most of his income by this particular patent, 
hence the device must have had some use.

But the only known use is inside a fast breeding reactor.

So, we should think about the possibility, that such reactors were 
already known at that time, but hidden from the public.

For that secrecy, the device was ascribed to refridgeration, what was 
most likely not its purpose.

Doesn't matter, anyhow, because also the breeding reactor and its 
purpose were hidden behind a smokescreen of lies and disinformation.

 From this would follow, that the Manhattan project was also a farce and 
meant as means for conscription and implemantation of secrecy, rather 
than scientific research.

Technical issues could be a topic, nevertheless, what would make the 
project more an engineering endeavour.


TH

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