Re: RT-Widerlegung

From	Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups	de.sci.physik
Subject	Re: RT-Widerlegung
Date	2020-08-19 14:37 +0200
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Am 19.08.2020 um 13:14 schrieb Ernst Sauer:
...
> 2.) Oder behauptest Du, die Uhr U2 merkt auf irgend eine geheimnisvolle 
> Art,
> dass sich die Kiste mit einer _absoluten_ Geschwindigkeit bewegt.
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> Dann stolperst Du aber über die Frage, welche Geschwindigkeit merkt sie 
> denn,
> die der Kiste, oder die der Erde, oder die der Sonne, oder der 
> Milchstraße ...?
> Mit diesen Systemen ist die Kiste nun mal verbunden.
> 
> Darüber werden schon die alten Griechen nachgedacht haben erst recht
> Galilei, Newton und Einstein.


Newton hatte die Idee eines absoluten Raumes, welcher ausgestattet ist 
mit einer absoluten und allgemeingültigen Zeit.


Einstein hat dieses Konzept abgelehnt und eine 'Relativität# von Raum 
und Zeit gefordert.

Aber damit hat er sich ein anderes Problem aufgehalst, nämlich die 
Frage, wozu irgendwas relativ sein soll, wenn man den Bezugspunkt nicht 
sieht.

Er hat daher die paarweise Relativ-Beziehung in den Mittelpunkt gestellt 
und das genannte Problem einfach unter den Teppich gekehrt.

Die richtige Lösung geht imho anders. Man muß die Größen Raum und Zeit 
jeweils lokal betrachten und an dem jeweiligen Beobachter 'festmachen'.

Es gibt dann NUR lokale Zeit und den jeweils zugehörigen Raum, welcher 
mit Materie gefüllt ist, die jeweils nur zu diesem Raum gehört.

D.h. Materie ist nicht 'Beobachter-invariant', sondern gehört zum 
jeweiligen Bezugssystem dazu. Materie kann also verschwinden oder aus 
dem Nichts auftauchen.

Als 'proof-of-concept' hatte ich 'Growing Earth' genannt.

Eine andere Möglichkeit wäre, dass man Staub im Innern eines hermetisch 
verschlossenen Plastik-Würfels mittels gepulster Mikrowellen erzeugen 
können sollte (meiner Ansicht nach).


...


TH

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annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2020-07-27 17:50 +0200
  Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Torn Rumero DeBrak <nobody@invalid.invalid> - 2020-07-27 20:20 +0200
    Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2020-07-27 21:47 +0200
      Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Torn Rumero DeBrak <nobody@invalid.invalid> - 2020-07-27 23:15 +0200
        Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2020-07-28 10:26 +0200
          Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2020-07-29 08:28 +0200
            Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-07-29 08:46 +0200
              Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-07-29 09:03 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-07-29 09:09 +0200
              Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Ernst Sauer <Ernst.Sauer@kabelmail.de> - 2020-07-29 09:18 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-07-29 09:42 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-07-29 09:44 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Ernst Sauer <Ernst.Sauer@kabelmail.de> - 2020-07-29 11:58 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-07-29 12:17 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-07-29 14:25 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-07-29 14:51 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Ernst Sauer <Ernst.Sauer@kabelmail.de> - 2020-07-29 17:49 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-07-29 17:54 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Ernst Sauer <Ernst.Sauer@kabelmail.de> - 2020-07-29 21:01 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-07-29 21:09 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-07-29 21:18 +0200
                RT-Widerlegung Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-07-30 21:52 +0200
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Ernst Sauer <Ernst.Sauer@kabelmail.de> - 2020-07-31 18:46 +0200
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-07-31 19:01 +0200
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-07-31 19:07 +0200
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Ernst Sauer <Ernst.Sauer@kabelmail.de> - 2020-07-31 23:23 +0200
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-08-01 08:25 +0200
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-08-03 21:07 +0200
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-08-03 23:07 +0200
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Ernst Sauer <Ernst.Sauer@kabelmail.de> - 2020-08-05 13:08 +0200
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-08-05 21:51 +0200
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Ernst Sauer <Ernst.Sauer@kabelmail.de> - 2020-08-06 00:43 +0200
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-08-06 09:14 +0200
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-08-06 12:51 +0200
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Ernst Sauer <Ernst.Sauer@kabelmail.de> - 2020-08-06 16:43 +0200
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-08-06 18:14 +0200
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-08-06 18:45 +0200
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Ernst Sauer <Ernst.Sauer@kabelmail.de> - 2020-08-07 14:08 +0200
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-08-07 15:19 +0200
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-08-07 15:24 +0200
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Erwin <e@sogetthis.com> - 2020-08-07 15:58 +0200
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-08-10 11:34 +0200
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-08-10 12:02 +0200
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Erwin <e@sogetthis.com> - 2020-08-10 13:50 +0200
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-08-10 09:02 +0200
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-08-10 11:14 +0200
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Ernst Sauer <Ernst.Sauer@kabelmail.de> - 2020-08-10 12:09 +0200
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-08-10 13:20 +0200
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Ernst Sauer <Ernst.Sauer@kabelmail.de> - 2020-08-10 13:41 +0200
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-08-10 14:20 +0200
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-08-10 14:34 +0200
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-08-12 07:59 +0200
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-08-12 08:16 +0200
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Ernst Sauer <Ernst.Sauer@kabelmail.de> - 2020-08-12 13:06 +0200
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-08-12 18:25 +0200
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-08-12 18:33 +0200
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-08-15 10:41 +0200
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-08-15 11:03 +0200
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-08-15 11:12 +0200
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-08-15 11:44 +0200
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-08-15 12:00 +0200
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-08-15 13:20 +0200
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-08-15 13:42 +0200
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                Re: RT-Widerlegung Ernst Sauer <Ernst.Sauer@kabelmail.de> - 2020-08-15 14:03 +0200
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-08-15 14:43 +0200
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-08-15 15:10 +0200
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                Re: RT-Widerlegung Ernst Sauer <Ernst.Sauer@kabelmail.de> - 2020-08-15 22:25 +0200
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                Re: RT-Widerlegung Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-08-18 19:25 +0200
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                Re: RT-Widerlegung Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-08-19 16:05 +0200
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2020-08-19 20:40 +0200
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-08-19 23:31 +0200
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Carla Schneider <carla_sch@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-19 23:41 +0200
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2020-08-21 08:45 +0200
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Carla Schneider <carla_sch@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-21 11:36 +0200
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2020-08-22 09:27 +0200
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Carla Schneider <carla_sch@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-22 17:53 +0200
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2020-08-24 19:08 +0200
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Carla Schneider <carla_sch@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-25 07:43 +0200
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2020-08-25 19:23 +0200
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Roalto <Roalto@online.de> - 2020-08-25 10:52 -0700
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-08-25 19:58 +0200
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Roalto <Roalto@online.de> - 2020-08-25 11:21 -0700
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-08-25 20:24 +0200
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Roalto <Roalto@online.de> - 2020-08-25 11:30 -0700
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-08-25 20:31 +0200
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Carla Schneider <carla_sch@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-26 00:39 +0200
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2020-08-27 20:01 +0200
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Carla Schneider <carla_sch@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-28 01:51 +0200
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2020-08-30 21:16 +0200
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                Re: RT-Widerlegung Takvorian <tak-us@gmx.de> - 2020-08-31 13:17 +0200
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                Re: RT-Widerlegung Roalto <Roalto@online.de> - 2020-08-28 02:39 -0700
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-08-28 11:56 +0200
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                Re: RT-Widerlegung Billy Bob <bibo@chammy.info> - 2020-08-20 15:35 +0200
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                Re: RT-Widerlegung Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-08-19 16:36 +0200
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-08-19 15:58 +0200
                Re: RT-Widerlegung Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-08-19 16:31 +0200
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                Re: RT-Widerlegung Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-07-31 19:47 +0200
            Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2020-07-29 18:01 +0200
              Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2020-07-29 21:10 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-07-29 21:19 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2020-08-01 20:51 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-08-02 12:00 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2020-08-02 12:12 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2020-08-03 21:18 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-08-03 23:06 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2020-08-04 09:05 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-08-04 09:45 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2020-08-05 21:07 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-08-06 09:02 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2020-08-10 07:24 +0200
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                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-08-10 11:14 +0200
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                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2020-08-15 16:42 +0200
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                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-08-10 11:10 +0200
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  Re: Update zu 'annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies'' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2020-08-06 08:23 +0200
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    Re: Update zu 'annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of  movingbodies'' Carla Schneider <carla_sch@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-19 13:05 +0200
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        Re: Update zu 'annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of movingbodies'' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-08-19 15:59 +0200
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  Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2020-09-10 21:03 +0200
    Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Fritz - Till Eulenspiegel und Trollfuetterer <fritz2011@gmx-topmail.de> - 2020-09-11 18:08 +0200
      Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2020-09-13 21:05 +0200
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        Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-09-14 06:19 +0200
        Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Takvorian <tak-us@gmx.de> - 2020-09-14 19:42 +0200
          Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2020-09-14 20:21 +0200
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                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-14 22:52 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Carla Schneider <carla_sch@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-15 11:54 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-15 17:51 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-09-15 17:57 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Carla Schneider <carla_sch@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-16 07:58 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-16 11:02 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-09-16 11:14 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Carla Schneider <carla_sch@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-16 13:10 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-17 09:12 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-09-17 10:20 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Takvorian <tak-us@gmx.de> - 2020-09-17 14:17 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-17 16:18 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Takvorian <tak-us@gmx.de> - 2020-09-17 20:05 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-17 20:21 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Takvorian <tak-us@gmx.de> - 2020-09-18 13:54 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-18 16:00 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Takvorian <tak-us@gmx.de> - 2020-09-19 15:01 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-20 18:55 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Carla Schneider <carla_sch@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-17 23:12 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-18 09:31 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Carla Schneider <carla_sch@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-21 09:53 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-21 11:00 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Carla Schneider <carla_sch@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-21 12:37 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-21 13:54 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Carla Schneider <carla_sch@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-21 14:21 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-21 20:42 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Carla Schneider <carla_sch@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-22 14:55 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-22 20:37 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Carla Schneider <carla_sch@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-23 10:57 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-23 22:59 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Carla Schneider <carla_sch@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-24 11:27 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-24 22:48 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Carla Schneider <carla_sch@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-25 07:51 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-25 09:00 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Carla Schneider <carla_sch@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-25 11:18 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-25 11:47 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Carla Schneider <carla_sch@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-26 14:37 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-26 15:29 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Carla Schneider <carla_sch@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-26 15:54 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-26 16:33 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Carla Schneider <carla_sch@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-26 22:01 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-26 22:01 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-09-26 15:51 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Ernst Sauer <Ernst.Sauer@kabelmail.de> - 2020-09-26 17:38 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-26 17:57 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Ernst Sauer <Ernst.Sauer@kabelmail.de> - 2020-09-26 19:50 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-26 20:21 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-26 20:46 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Ernst Sauer <Ernst.Sauer@kabelmail.de> - 2020-09-26 20:55 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-26 21:30 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Ernst Sauer <Ernst.Sauer@kabelmail.de> - 2020-09-26 23:08 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-09-26 20:52 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-26 21:36 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-09-26 22:12 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-26 22:16 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-09-26 22:36 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-26 22:44 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-26 21:41 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-09-26 22:21 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-26 22:42 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Ernst Sauer <Ernst.Sauer@kabelmail.de> - 2020-09-25 14:28 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-25 14:35 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Ernst Sauer <Ernst.Sauer@kabelmail.de> - 2020-09-25 15:22 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-25 16:16 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-09-25 16:17 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Ernst Sauer <Ernst.Sauer@kabelmail.de> - 2020-09-21 13:15 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-21 13:47 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Ernst Sauer <Ernst.Sauer@kabelmail.de> - 2020-09-21 22:46 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-21 23:16 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-09-22 07:33 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Ernst Sauer <Ernst.Sauer@kabelmail.de> - 2020-09-22 08:28 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-22 10:01 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-09-22 10:16 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Ernst Sauer <Ernst.Sauer@kabelmail.de> - 2020-09-22 13:19 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-22 20:08 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-09-22 20:50 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-22 21:47 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-09-22 21:58 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Fritz <mogined@nurfuerspam.de> - 2020-09-23 09:06 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-22 20:09 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Takvorian <tak-us@gmx.de> - 2020-09-22 12:09 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-22 20:22 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-09-22 20:50 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-22 21:49 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-09-22 21:59 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-22 22:06 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-09-22 22:17 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-22 23:03 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Takvorian <tak-us@gmx.de> - 2020-09-23 00:06 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-09-23 00:51 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-23 23:02 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-09-23 23:08 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Takvorian <tak-us@gmx.de> - 2020-09-24 14:24 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-24 23:00 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-09-25 12:35 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-25 12:53 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Takvorian <tak-us@gmx.de> - 2020-09-25 16:56 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-25 17:09 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Takvorian <tak-us@gmx.de> - 2020-09-25 18:29 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-25 23:03 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Takvorian <tak-us@gmx.de> - 2020-09-26 15:01 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-25 17:13 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-24 10:38 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-09-24 11:08 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-09-24 15:31 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-24 23:19 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-09-25 12:35 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-25 12:50 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-09-25 13:20 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-25 13:32 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-09-25 13:41 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-09-25 13:45 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-25 13:54 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-09-25 14:02 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-25 14:10 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-09-25 14:30 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-25 14:39 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-09-25 14:41 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-25 14:42 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-09-25 14:49 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-09-25 14:52 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-25 16:07 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-09-25 16:09 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-09-25 16:46 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-09-25 16:49 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-25 17:06 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-09-25 17:10 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-25 17:15 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-09-25 17:20 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-09-25 17:38 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-25 17:47 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-09-25 17:49 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-09-25 17:56 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-25 22:34 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-09-25 22:42 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2020-09-26 13:58 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-09-25 14:35 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Takvorian <tak-us@gmx.de> - 2020-09-22 22:30 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-22 22:55 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Takvorian <tak-us@gmx.de> - 2020-09-22 23:58 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Fritz <mogined@nurfuerspam.de> - 2020-09-23 09:10 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Carla Schneider <carla_sch@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-23 12:48 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Takvorian <tak-us@gmx.de> - 2020-09-23 13:13 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-23 23:32 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-09-24 00:52 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Takvorian <tak-us@gmx.de> - 2020-09-24 14:31 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-09-24 23:26 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Rolf Bombach <rolfnospambombach@invalid.invalid> - 2020-09-25 23:35 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2020-09-18 07:40 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Carla Schneider <carla_sch@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-18 08:24 +0200
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2020-09-18 08:46 +0200
              Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Fritz <mogined@nurfuerspam.de> - 2020-09-15 18:00 +0200
          Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Carla Schneider <carla_sch@yahoo.com> - 2020-09-15 13:04 +0200
  Re: Neue 'annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies'' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2020-09-15 07:33 +0200
    Re: Neue 'annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies'' Fritz - Till Eulenspiegel und Trollfuetterer <fritz2011@gmx-topmail.de> - 2020-09-15 18:02 +0200
      Re: Neue 'annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies'' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2020-09-15 19:53 +0200
        Re: Neue 'annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies'' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-09-15 20:41 +0200
      Re: Neue 'annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies'' Carsten Thumulla <ct@ct.com> - 2020-09-16 15:41 +0200
        Re: Neue 'annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies'' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-09-16 17:09 +0200
    Re: Neue 'annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies'' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2020-09-21 08:32 +0200
      Re: Neue 'annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies'' Sebastian Wolf <invalid@invalid.net> - 2020-09-21 08:46 +0200

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