Groups | Search | Server Info | Keyboard shortcuts | Login | Register [http] [https] [nntp] [nntps]
Groups > aus.electronics > #33165
| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | aus.electronics |
| Subject | Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again |
| Date | 2017-04-05 06:21 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <ekidjdFj7ljU2@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
| References | (15 earlier) <UPwEA.309678$fL.212905@fx24.am4> <ekfqg1F3i27U2@mid.individual.net> <bzyEA.825281$Pm3.113189@fx42.am4> <ekg27jF50g7U2@mid.individual.net> <sfSEA.605497$3a3.3151@fx43.am4> |
"Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> wrote in message news:sfSEA.605497$3a3.3151@fx43.am4... > > "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:ekg27jF50g7U2@mid.individual.net... >> >> >> "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> wrote in >> message news:bzyEA.825281$Pm3.113189@fx42.am4... >>> >>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:ekfqg1F3i27U2@mid.individual.net... >>>> >>>> >>>> "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> wrote in >>>> message news:UPwEA.309678$fL.212905@fx24.am4... >>>>> >>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:ekdhr0Fk8lgU2@mid.individual.net... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> wrote in >>>>>> message news:EobEA.752090$vF2.567201@fx46.am4... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:ekcsf3Fg6rdU3@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> wrote >>>>>>>> in message news:LmaEA.523473$fZ.122334@fx41.am4... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>> message news:ekbctsF74isU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>> On 2/04/2017 4:51 AM, Benderthe.evilrobot wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>> message >>>>>>>>>>> news:ek881dFj6o5U1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/04/2017 5:25 AM, Benderthe.evilrobot wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>> news:ek5n0uF3vscU2@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 31/03/2017 11:31 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 31/03/2017 11:10 AM, Sylvia Else wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 31/03/2017 9:22 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 31/03/2017 9:17 AM, Sylvia Else wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 31/03/2017 7:21 AM, Benderthe.evilrobot wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:ejp7o7Fj307U1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wish they'd advertise it better, so that I can ignore >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deliberately. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is that an Australian thing? - Never heard of it here in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the UK. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was started here, to our shame, but it got picked up >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> number of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other countries. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Showing support by turning off efficient lighting, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> burning >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inefficient CO2 emitting candles instead, is a common >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theme. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Earth hour is, above all, a demonstration of ignorance. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Well, not really. It was designed to make people aware >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problems >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this planet faces and that we ALL need to work together to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> difference. Certainly, turning off pool pumps (or filling >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in a pool, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like I did), or air conditioners will make several orders >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> magnitude >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more impact on the environment than turning off some LED >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lighting, but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lighting is easy to see. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whatever the intent behind it, all it's managed to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demonstrate is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people have little understanding of the issues. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **How do you know? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because if they did, they're realise that burning candles is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> way to show support. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Most people don't even think about all electric cars mostly >>>>>>>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>>>>>>> require burning fossil fuel to generate the electricity in the >>>>>>>>>>>>> first >>>>>>>>>>>>> place - countries with coal fired power stations didn't win >>>>>>>>>>>>> much at all. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> **Probably more than you think. Electric cars have some major >>>>>>>>>>>> advantages over IC cars. Including: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> * Maximum toque at zero RPM. >>>>>>>>>>>> * Around 90%+ efficiency at ALL RPM figures. My last couple of >>>>>>>>>>>> cars >>>>>>>>>>>> were fitted with fuel consumption computers. When cold, the car >>>>>>>>>>>> consumed around 20L/100km on flat ground, with moderate >>>>>>>>>>>> throttle >>>>>>>>>>>> opening. When warm, that figure fell to around 6L/100km. An >>>>>>>>>>>> electric >>>>>>>>>>>> vehicle consumes the same amount, regardless of temperature >>>>>>>>>>>> (within >>>>>>>>>>>> obvious limits). No warm-up is required. Since many city >>>>>>>>>>>> vehicles are >>>>>>>>>>>> operated over short trips, fuel efficiency can be spectacularly >>>>>>>>>>>> bad. >>>>>>>>>>>> Long trips suit IC engines quite well. >>>>>>>>>>>> * Regenerative braking. This is the big one and particularly >>>>>>>>>>>> for city >>>>>>>>>>>> drivers. As much as 60% of the energy which would be otherwise >>>>>>>>>>>> wasted >>>>>>>>>>>> as heat, can be used to recharge the batteries. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> All of which demonstrates the the average fuel economy of an >>>>>>>>>>>> electric >>>>>>>>>>>> vehicle can be quite low, in terms of CO2 production/km. That >>>>>>>>>>>> said, >>>>>>>>>>>> for me, if I had an electric vehicle, I could easily meet my >>>>>>>>>>>> transport >>>>>>>>>>>> needs by using an array of PV cells on the roof of my garage. >>>>>>>>>>>> Thus the >>>>>>>>>>>> total nett CO2 contribution would be zero. YMMV. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I know all those advantages exist - but it still burns *SOME* >>>>>>>>>>> fossil >>>>>>>>>>> fuel unless its nuclear or renewable. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> **Duh. No one ever claimed that an electric car was completely >>>>>>>>>> benign. It is, however, significantly cleaner than an equivalent >>>>>>>>>> petrol or Diesel car, even when powered by coal-fired power. That >>>>>>>>>> said, Tesla have promised to obtain all their electricity from >>>>>>>>>> renewable sources for their free charging stations. And, as I >>>>>>>>>> stated, for many city dwellers, any electric vehicle will emit >>>>>>>>>> significantly less CO2 (via a coal-fired power station) under day >>>>>>>>>> to day use. For long distance driving, the benefits will be less >>>>>>>>>> obvious. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The UK government has cancelled all subsidies for renewables - >>>>>>>>>>> we're >>>>>>>>>>> going to buy French generators and pay the Chinese to build the >>>>>>>>>>> power >>>>>>>>>>> station and handle our sensitive strategic materials. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> **Cites please. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The news has gone quiet on this recently - The French company >>>>>>>>> supplying the generators fucked up a contract in some other >>>>>>>>> country and is in financial trouble. They've already started >>>>>>>>> preparing land in the UK to build it, but political wrangling has >>>>>>>>> cast doubt over the project - so the French could find themselves >>>>>>>>> in even more financial trouble. All this hasn't been helped by a >>>>>>>>> company executive blowing the whistle on sub standard steel used >>>>>>>>> in the containment vessel. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The Chinese involvement is the Tories favourite phrase "inward >>>>>>>>> investment" - PFI in other words. A private company makes most of >>>>>>>>> the investment in a public service facility and builds it to run >>>>>>>>> as a business. The standard operating procedure is to set up >>>>>>>>> various bogus contractors to charge themselves £400 to change a >>>>>>>>> light bulb, which they then claim back from the treasury. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Doesn’t qualify as 'handle our sensitive strategic materials' >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hardly worth getting the Chinese to handle the nuclear materials if >>>>>>> we have to employ guards to stop them lifting any. >>>>>> >>>>>> They have far more of their own already. And its so cheap they can >>>>>> buy it from us, and do. >>>>> >>>>> Who's "us"? >>>> >>>> The aus in aus.electronics might actually mean something. >>> >>> Indeed - I mentioned something that was going on in the UK and you >>> couldn't tell the difference. >> >> You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag. > > And you only ever have one response to being caught in the wrong. You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag. I was never caught in the wrong.
Back to aus.electronics | Previous | Next — Previous in thread | Next in thread | Find similar | Unroll thread
Dang - missed Earth Hour again Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-03-26 18:08 +1100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> - 2017-03-30 21:21 +0100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Colin Horsley <horsley-spam@westnet.com.au> - 2017-03-31 08:13 +1100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-03-31 09:17 +1100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-03-31 09:22 +1100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-03-31 11:10 +1100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Rheilly Phoull <rheilly@bigslong.com> - 2017-03-31 08:25 +0800
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-03-31 11:28 +1100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Rheilly Phoull <rheilly@bigslong.com> - 2017-03-31 11:37 +0800
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-31 15:21 +1100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-03-31 16:29 +1000
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-03-31 16:39 +1100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-31 17:17 +1100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-03-31 11:31 +1100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-03-31 11:43 +1100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-03-31 11:58 +1100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-03-31 12:13 +1100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-03-31 16:30 +1000
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> - 2017-03-31 19:29 +0100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> - 2017-03-31 19:25 +0100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-04-01 10:39 +1100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> - 2017-04-01 19:51 +0100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-04-02 10:10 +1000
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-04-02 14:21 +1000
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> - 2017-04-02 18:17 +0100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-04-03 03:58 +1000
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> - 2017-04-02 19:27 +0100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-04-03 10:03 +1000
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> - 2017-04-03 19:50 +0100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-04-04 06:43 +1000
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> - 2017-04-03 21:49 +0100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-04-04 08:55 +1000
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> - 2017-04-04 20:13 +0100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-04-05 06:21 +1000
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2017-04-03 21:44 +0000
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> - 2017-04-04 20:16 +0100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-04-05 06:22 +1000
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> - 2017-04-06 19:26 +0100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 14:30 +1000
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> - 2017-04-11 19:43 +0100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-04-12 05:35 +1000
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-04-03 08:23 +1000
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-04-03 12:55 +1000
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> - 2017-04-03 19:52 +0100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-31 15:22 +1100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> - 2017-03-31 19:19 +0100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2017-03-31 15:51 +1100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-03-31 16:37 +1100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2017-03-31 20:06 +1000
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2017-04-01 17:06 +1100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-04-01 17:03 +1100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-04-01 21:05 +1000
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-04-02 07:42 +1000
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> - 2017-03-31 19:15 +0100
csiph-web