Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again

From	"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	aus.electronics
Subject	Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again
Date	2017-04-03 03:58 +1000
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"Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> wrote in message 
news:LmaEA.523473$fZ.122334@fx41.am4...
>
> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message 
> news:ekbctsF74isU1@mid.individual.net...
>> On 2/04/2017 4:51 AM, Benderthe.evilrobot wrote:
>>>
>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
>>> news:ek881dFj6o5U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> On 1/04/2017 5:25 AM, Benderthe.evilrobot wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
>>>>> news:ek5n0uF3vscU2@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>> On 31/03/2017 11:31 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>> On 31/03/2017 11:10 AM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 31/03/2017 9:22 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 31/03/2017 9:17 AM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 31/03/2017 7:21 AM, Benderthe.evilrobot wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:ejp7o7Fj307U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>> I wish they'd advertise it better, so that I can ignore it
>>>>>>>>>>>> deliberately.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Is that an Australian thing? - Never heard of it here in the UK.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It was started here, to our shame, but it got picked up in a
>>>>>>>>>> number of
>>>>>>>>>> other countries.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Showing support by turning off efficient lighting, and burning
>>>>>>>>>> inefficient CO2 emitting candles instead, is a common theme.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Earth hour is, above all, a demonstration of ignorance.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> **Well, not really. It was designed to make people aware of the
>>>>>>>>> problems
>>>>>>>>> this planet faces and that we ALL need to work together to make a
>>>>>>>>> difference. Certainly, turning off pool pumps (or filling in a 
>>>>>>>>> pool,
>>>>>>>>> like I did), or air conditioners will make several orders of
>>>>>>>>> magnitude
>>>>>>>>> more impact on the environment than turning off some LED
>>>>>>>>> lighting, but
>>>>>>>>> lighting is easy to see.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Whatever the intent behind it, all it's managed to demonstrate is
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> people have little understanding of the issues.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **How do you know?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Because if they did, they're realise that burning candles is not the
>>>>>> way to show support.
>>>>>
>>>>> Most people don't even think about all electric cars mostly still
>>>>> require burning fossil fuel to generate the electricity in the first
>>>>> place - countries with coal fired power stations didn't win much at 
>>>>> all.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> **Probably more than you think. Electric cars have some major
>>>> advantages over IC cars. Including:
>>>>
>>>> * Maximum toque at zero RPM.
>>>> * Around 90%+ efficiency at ALL RPM figures. My last couple of cars
>>>> were fitted with fuel consumption computers. When cold, the car
>>>> consumed around 20L/100km on flat ground, with moderate throttle
>>>> opening. When warm, that figure fell to around 6L/100km. An electric
>>>> vehicle consumes the same amount, regardless of temperature (within
>>>> obvious limits). No warm-up is required. Since many city vehicles are
>>>> operated over short trips, fuel efficiency can be spectacularly bad.
>>>> Long trips suit IC engines quite well.
>>>> * Regenerative braking. This is the big one and particularly for city
>>>> drivers. As much as 60% of the energy which would be otherwise wasted
>>>> as heat, can be used to recharge the batteries.
>>>>
>>>> All of which demonstrates the the average fuel economy of an electric
>>>> vehicle can be quite low, in terms of CO2 production/km. That said,
>>>> for me, if I had an electric vehicle, I could easily meet my transport
>>>> needs by using an array of PV cells on the roof of my garage. Thus the
>>>> total nett CO2 contribution would be zero. YMMV.
>>>
>>> I know all those advantages exist - but it still burns *SOME* fossil
>>> fuel unless its  nuclear or renewable.
>>
>> **Duh. No one ever claimed that an electric car was completely benign. It 
>> is, however, significantly cleaner than an equivalent petrol or Diesel 
>> car, even when powered by coal-fired power. That said, Tesla have 
>> promised to obtain all their electricity from renewable sources for their 
>> free charging stations. And, as I stated, for many city dwellers, any 
>> electric vehicle will emit significantly less CO2 (via a coal-fired power 
>> station) under day to day use. For long distance driving, the benefits 
>> will be less obvious.
>>
>>>
>>> The UK government has cancelled all subsidies for renewables - we're
>>> going to buy French generators and pay the Chinese to build the power
>>> station and handle our sensitive strategic materials.
>>
>> **Cites please.
>
> The news has gone quiet on this recently - The French company supplying 
> the generators fucked up a contract in some other country and is in 
> financial trouble. They've already started preparing land in the UK to 
> build it, but political wrangling has cast doubt over the project - so the 
> French could find themselves in even more financial trouble. All this 
> hasn't been helped by a company executive blowing the whistle on sub 
> standard steel used in the containment vessel.
>
> The Chinese involvement is the Tories favourite phrase "inward 
> investment" - PFI in other words. A private company makes most of the 
> investment in a public service facility and builds it to run as a 
> business. The standard operating procedure is to set up various bogus 
> contractors to charge themselves £400 to change a light bulb, which they 
> then claim back from the treasury.

Doesn’t qualify as 'handle our sensitive strategic materials'

> It used to be just the Tories fat cat chums - but now its any hostile 
> power that wants a piece of Britain.

Corse Britain has never ever done anything like that itself, eh ?

> The word; "Tory" is derived from the Gaellic Toraidhe - which translates 
> from Irish to English as; outlaw or bandit. They call themselves 
> "Conservatives" to con the genteel folk.

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Dang - missed Earth Hour again Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-03-26 18:08 +1100
  Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> - 2017-03-30 21:21 +0100
    Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Colin Horsley <horsley-spam@westnet.com.au> - 2017-03-31 08:13 +1100
    Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-03-31 09:17 +1100
      Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-03-31 09:22 +1100
        Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-03-31 11:10 +1100
          Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Rheilly Phoull <rheilly@bigslong.com> - 2017-03-31 08:25 +0800
            Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-03-31 11:28 +1100
              Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Rheilly Phoull <rheilly@bigslong.com> - 2017-03-31 11:37 +0800
              Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-31 15:21 +1100
              Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-03-31 16:29 +1000
                Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-03-31 16:39 +1100
                Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-31 17:17 +1100
          Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-03-31 11:31 +1100
            Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-03-31 11:43 +1100
              Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-03-31 11:58 +1100
                Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-03-31 12:13 +1100
                Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-03-31 16:30 +1000
                Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> - 2017-03-31 19:29 +0100
              Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> - 2017-03-31 19:25 +0100
                Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-04-01 10:39 +1100
                Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> - 2017-04-01 19:51 +0100
                Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-04-02 10:10 +1000
                Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-04-02 14:21 +1000
                Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> - 2017-04-02 18:17 +0100
                Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-04-03 03:58 +1000
                Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> - 2017-04-02 19:27 +0100
                Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-04-03 10:03 +1000
                Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> - 2017-04-03 19:50 +0100
                Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-04-04 06:43 +1000
                Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> - 2017-04-03 21:49 +0100
                Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-04-04 08:55 +1000
                Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> - 2017-04-04 20:13 +0100
                Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-04-05 06:21 +1000
                Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2017-04-03 21:44 +0000
                Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> - 2017-04-04 20:16 +0100
                Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-04-05 06:22 +1000
                Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> - 2017-04-06 19:26 +0100
                Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 14:30 +1000
                Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> - 2017-04-11 19:43 +0100
                Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-04-12 05:35 +1000
                Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-04-03 08:23 +1000
                Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-04-03 12:55 +1000
                Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> - 2017-04-03 19:52 +0100
            Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-31 15:22 +1100
        Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> - 2017-03-31 19:19 +0100
      Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2017-03-31 15:51 +1100
        Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-03-31 16:37 +1100
          Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2017-03-31 20:06 +1000
          Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2017-04-01 17:06 +1100
            Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-04-01 17:03 +1100
              Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-04-01 21:05 +1000
                Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-04-02 07:42 +1000
      Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> - 2017-03-31 19:15 +0100

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