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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | aus.electronics |
| Subject | Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again |
| Date | 2017-04-04 06:43 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <ekfqg1F3i27U2@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
| References | (11 earlier) <LmaEA.523473$fZ.122334@fx41.am4> <ekcsf3Fg6rdU3@mid.individual.net> <EobEA.752090$vF2.567201@fx46.am4> <ekdhr0Fk8lgU2@mid.individual.net> <UPwEA.309678$fL.212905@fx24.am4> |
"Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> wrote in message news:UPwEA.309678$fL.212905@fx24.am4... > > "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:ekdhr0Fk8lgU2@mid.individual.net... >> >> >> "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> wrote in >> message news:EobEA.752090$vF2.567201@fx46.am4... >>> >>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:ekcsf3Fg6rdU3@mid.individual.net... >>>> >>>> >>>> "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> wrote in >>>> message news:LmaEA.523473$fZ.122334@fx41.am4... >>>>> >>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>>>> news:ekbctsF74isU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>> On 2/04/2017 4:51 AM, Benderthe.evilrobot wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:ek881dFj6o5U1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>> On 1/04/2017 5:25 AM, Benderthe.evilrobot wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:ek5n0uF3vscU2@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>> On 31/03/2017 11:31 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 31/03/2017 11:10 AM, Sylvia Else wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 31/03/2017 9:22 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 31/03/2017 9:17 AM, Sylvia Else wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 31/03/2017 7:21 AM, Benderthe.evilrobot wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:ejp7o7Fj307U1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wish they'd advertise it better, so that I can ignore it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deliberately. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is that an Australian thing? - Never heard of it here in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UK. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was started here, to our shame, but it got picked up in a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> number of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> other countries. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Showing support by turning off efficient lighting, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> burning >>>>>>>>>>>>>> inefficient CO2 emitting candles instead, is a common theme. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Earth hour is, above all, a demonstration of ignorance. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> **Well, not really. It was designed to make people aware of >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> problems >>>>>>>>>>>>> this planet faces and that we ALL need to work together to >>>>>>>>>>>>> make a >>>>>>>>>>>>> difference. Certainly, turning off pool pumps (or filling in a >>>>>>>>>>>>> pool, >>>>>>>>>>>>> like I did), or air conditioners will make several orders of >>>>>>>>>>>>> magnitude >>>>>>>>>>>>> more impact on the environment than turning off some LED >>>>>>>>>>>>> lighting, but >>>>>>>>>>>>> lighting is easy to see. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Whatever the intent behind it, all it's managed to demonstrate >>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>> people have little understanding of the issues. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> **How do you know? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Because if they did, they're realise that burning candles is not >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> way to show support. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Most people don't even think about all electric cars mostly still >>>>>>>>> require burning fossil fuel to generate the electricity in the >>>>>>>>> first >>>>>>>>> place - countries with coal fired power stations didn't win much >>>>>>>>> at all. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> **Probably more than you think. Electric cars have some major >>>>>>>> advantages over IC cars. Including: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> * Maximum toque at zero RPM. >>>>>>>> * Around 90%+ efficiency at ALL RPM figures. My last couple of cars >>>>>>>> were fitted with fuel consumption computers. When cold, the car >>>>>>>> consumed around 20L/100km on flat ground, with moderate throttle >>>>>>>> opening. When warm, that figure fell to around 6L/100km. An >>>>>>>> electric >>>>>>>> vehicle consumes the same amount, regardless of temperature (within >>>>>>>> obvious limits). No warm-up is required. Since many city vehicles >>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>> operated over short trips, fuel efficiency can be spectacularly >>>>>>>> bad. >>>>>>>> Long trips suit IC engines quite well. >>>>>>>> * Regenerative braking. This is the big one and particularly for >>>>>>>> city >>>>>>>> drivers. As much as 60% of the energy which would be otherwise >>>>>>>> wasted >>>>>>>> as heat, can be used to recharge the batteries. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> All of which demonstrates the the average fuel economy of an >>>>>>>> electric >>>>>>>> vehicle can be quite low, in terms of CO2 production/km. That said, >>>>>>>> for me, if I had an electric vehicle, I could easily meet my >>>>>>>> transport >>>>>>>> needs by using an array of PV cells on the roof of my garage. Thus >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> total nett CO2 contribution would be zero. YMMV. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I know all those advantages exist - but it still burns *SOME* fossil >>>>>>> fuel unless its nuclear or renewable. >>>>>> >>>>>> **Duh. No one ever claimed that an electric car was completely >>>>>> benign. It is, however, significantly cleaner than an equivalent >>>>>> petrol or Diesel car, even when powered by coal-fired power. That >>>>>> said, Tesla have promised to obtain all their electricity from >>>>>> renewable sources for their free charging stations. And, as I stated, >>>>>> for many city dwellers, any electric vehicle will emit significantly >>>>>> less CO2 (via a coal-fired power station) under day to day use. For >>>>>> long distance driving, the benefits will be less obvious. >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The UK government has cancelled all subsidies for renewables - we're >>>>>>> going to buy French generators and pay the Chinese to build the >>>>>>> power >>>>>>> station and handle our sensitive strategic materials. >>>>>> >>>>>> **Cites please. >>>>> >>>>> The news has gone quiet on this recently - The French company >>>>> supplying the generators fucked up a contract in some other country >>>>> and is in financial trouble. They've already started preparing land in >>>>> the UK to build it, but political wrangling has cast doubt over the >>>>> project - so the French could find themselves in even more financial >>>>> trouble. All this hasn't been helped by a company executive blowing >>>>> the whistle on sub standard steel used in the containment vessel. >>>>> >>>>> The Chinese involvement is the Tories favourite phrase "inward >>>>> investment" - PFI in other words. A private company makes most of the >>>>> investment in a public service facility and builds it to run as a >>>>> business. The standard operating procedure is to set up various bogus >>>>> contractors to charge themselves £400 to change a light bulb, which >>>>> they then claim back from the treasury. >>>> >>>> Doesn’t qualify as 'handle our sensitive strategic materials' >>> >>> Hardly worth getting the Chinese to handle the nuclear materials if we >>> have to employ guards to stop them lifting any. >> >> They have far more of their own already. And its so cheap they can buy it >> from us, and do. > > Who's "us"? The aus in aus.electronics might actually mean something.
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Dang - missed Earth Hour again Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-03-26 18:08 +1100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> - 2017-03-30 21:21 +0100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Colin Horsley <horsley-spam@westnet.com.au> - 2017-03-31 08:13 +1100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-03-31 09:17 +1100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-03-31 09:22 +1100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-03-31 11:10 +1100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Rheilly Phoull <rheilly@bigslong.com> - 2017-03-31 08:25 +0800
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-03-31 11:28 +1100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Rheilly Phoull <rheilly@bigslong.com> - 2017-03-31 11:37 +0800
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-31 15:21 +1100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-03-31 16:29 +1000
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-03-31 16:39 +1100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-31 17:17 +1100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-03-31 11:31 +1100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-03-31 11:43 +1100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-03-31 11:58 +1100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-03-31 12:13 +1100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-03-31 16:30 +1000
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> - 2017-03-31 19:29 +0100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> - 2017-03-31 19:25 +0100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-04-01 10:39 +1100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> - 2017-04-01 19:51 +0100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-04-02 10:10 +1000
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-04-02 14:21 +1000
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> - 2017-04-02 18:17 +0100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-04-03 03:58 +1000
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> - 2017-04-02 19:27 +0100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-04-03 10:03 +1000
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> - 2017-04-03 19:50 +0100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-04-04 06:43 +1000
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> - 2017-04-03 21:49 +0100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-04-04 08:55 +1000
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> - 2017-04-04 20:13 +0100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-04-05 06:21 +1000
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2017-04-03 21:44 +0000
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> - 2017-04-04 20:16 +0100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-04-05 06:22 +1000
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> - 2017-04-06 19:26 +0100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 14:30 +1000
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> - 2017-04-11 19:43 +0100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-04-12 05:35 +1000
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-04-03 08:23 +1000
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-04-03 12:55 +1000
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> - 2017-04-03 19:52 +0100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-31 15:22 +1100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> - 2017-03-31 19:19 +0100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2017-03-31 15:51 +1100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-03-31 16:37 +1100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2017-03-31 20:06 +1000
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2017-04-01 17:06 +1100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-04-01 17:03 +1100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-04-01 21:05 +1000
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-04-02 07:42 +1000
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> - 2017-03-31 19:15 +0100
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