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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | aus.electronics |
| Subject | Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again |
| Date | 2017-04-04 08:55 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <ekg27jF50g7U2@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
| References | (13 earlier) <EobEA.752090$vF2.567201@fx46.am4> <ekdhr0Fk8lgU2@mid.individual.net> <UPwEA.309678$fL.212905@fx24.am4> <ekfqg1F3i27U2@mid.individual.net> <bzyEA.825281$Pm3.113189@fx42.am4> |
"Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> wrote in message news:bzyEA.825281$Pm3.113189@fx42.am4... > > "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:ekfqg1F3i27U2@mid.individual.net... >> >> >> "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> wrote in >> message news:UPwEA.309678$fL.212905@fx24.am4... >>> >>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:ekdhr0Fk8lgU2@mid.individual.net... >>>> >>>> >>>> "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> wrote in >>>> message news:EobEA.752090$vF2.567201@fx46.am4... >>>>> >>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:ekcsf3Fg6rdU3@mid.individual.net... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> wrote in >>>>>> message news:LmaEA.523473$fZ.122334@fx41.am4... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:ekbctsF74isU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>> On 2/04/2017 4:51 AM, Benderthe.evilrobot wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in >>>>>>>>> message >>>>>>>>> news:ek881dFj6o5U1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>> On 1/04/2017 5:25 AM, Benderthe.evilrobot wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>> news:ek5n0uF3vscU2@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>> On 31/03/2017 11:31 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 31/03/2017 11:10 AM, Sylvia Else wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 31/03/2017 9:22 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 31/03/2017 9:17 AM, Sylvia Else wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 31/03/2017 7:21 AM, Benderthe.evilrobot wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:ejp7o7Fj307U1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wish they'd advertise it better, so that I can ignore >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deliberately. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is that an Australian thing? - Never heard of it here in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the UK. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was started here, to our shame, but it got picked up in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> number of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other countries. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Showing support by turning off efficient lighting, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> burning >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inefficient CO2 emitting candles instead, is a common >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theme. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Earth hour is, above all, a demonstration of ignorance. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Well, not really. It was designed to make people aware of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problems >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this planet faces and that we ALL need to work together to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> difference. Certainly, turning off pool pumps (or filling in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a pool, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like I did), or air conditioners will make several orders of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> magnitude >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more impact on the environment than turning off some LED >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lighting, but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lighting is easy to see. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whatever the intent behind it, all it's managed to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> demonstrate is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> people have little understanding of the issues. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> **How do you know? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Because if they did, they're realise that burning candles is >>>>>>>>>>>> not the >>>>>>>>>>>> way to show support. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Most people don't even think about all electric cars mostly >>>>>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>>>>> require burning fossil fuel to generate the electricity in the >>>>>>>>>>> first >>>>>>>>>>> place - countries with coal fired power stations didn't win much >>>>>>>>>>> at all. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> **Probably more than you think. Electric cars have some major >>>>>>>>>> advantages over IC cars. Including: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> * Maximum toque at zero RPM. >>>>>>>>>> * Around 90%+ efficiency at ALL RPM figures. My last couple of >>>>>>>>>> cars >>>>>>>>>> were fitted with fuel consumption computers. When cold, the car >>>>>>>>>> consumed around 20L/100km on flat ground, with moderate throttle >>>>>>>>>> opening. When warm, that figure fell to around 6L/100km. An >>>>>>>>>> electric >>>>>>>>>> vehicle consumes the same amount, regardless of temperature >>>>>>>>>> (within >>>>>>>>>> obvious limits). No warm-up is required. Since many city vehicles >>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>> operated over short trips, fuel efficiency can be spectacularly >>>>>>>>>> bad. >>>>>>>>>> Long trips suit IC engines quite well. >>>>>>>>>> * Regenerative braking. This is the big one and particularly for >>>>>>>>>> city >>>>>>>>>> drivers. As much as 60% of the energy which would be otherwise >>>>>>>>>> wasted >>>>>>>>>> as heat, can be used to recharge the batteries. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> All of which demonstrates the the average fuel economy of an >>>>>>>>>> electric >>>>>>>>>> vehicle can be quite low, in terms of CO2 production/km. That >>>>>>>>>> said, >>>>>>>>>> for me, if I had an electric vehicle, I could easily meet my >>>>>>>>>> transport >>>>>>>>>> needs by using an array of PV cells on the roof of my garage. >>>>>>>>>> Thus the >>>>>>>>>> total nett CO2 contribution would be zero. YMMV. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I know all those advantages exist - but it still burns *SOME* >>>>>>>>> fossil >>>>>>>>> fuel unless its nuclear or renewable. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> **Duh. No one ever claimed that an electric car was completely >>>>>>>> benign. It is, however, significantly cleaner than an equivalent >>>>>>>> petrol or Diesel car, even when powered by coal-fired power. That >>>>>>>> said, Tesla have promised to obtain all their electricity from >>>>>>>> renewable sources for their free charging stations. And, as I >>>>>>>> stated, for many city dwellers, any electric vehicle will emit >>>>>>>> significantly less CO2 (via a coal-fired power station) under day >>>>>>>> to day use. For long distance driving, the benefits will be less >>>>>>>> obvious. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The UK government has cancelled all subsidies for renewables - >>>>>>>>> we're >>>>>>>>> going to buy French generators and pay the Chinese to build the >>>>>>>>> power >>>>>>>>> station and handle our sensitive strategic materials. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> **Cites please. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The news has gone quiet on this recently - The French company >>>>>>> supplying the generators fucked up a contract in some other country >>>>>>> and is in financial trouble. They've already started preparing land >>>>>>> in the UK to build it, but political wrangling has cast doubt over >>>>>>> the project - so the French could find themselves in even more >>>>>>> financial trouble. All this hasn't been helped by a company >>>>>>> executive blowing the whistle on sub standard steel used in the >>>>>>> containment vessel. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Chinese involvement is the Tories favourite phrase "inward >>>>>>> investment" - PFI in other words. A private company makes most of >>>>>>> the investment in a public service facility and builds it to run as >>>>>>> a business. The standard operating procedure is to set up various >>>>>>> bogus contractors to charge themselves £400 to change a light bulb, >>>>>>> which they then claim back from the treasury. >>>>>> >>>>>> Doesn’t qualify as 'handle our sensitive strategic materials' >>>>> >>>>> Hardly worth getting the Chinese to handle the nuclear materials if we >>>>> have to employ guards to stop them lifting any. >>>> >>>> They have far more of their own already. And its so cheap they can buy >>>> it from us, and do. >>> >>> Who's "us"? >> >> The aus in aus.electronics might actually mean something. > > Indeed - I mentioned something that was going on in the UK and you > couldn't tell the difference. You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag. There is no point in the chinese stealing any of you pom's nuclear materials when they can and do buy them very cheaply from us instead.
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