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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | aus.electronics |
| Subject | Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again |
| Date | 2017-04-02 10:10 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <ekats3F4llmU2@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
| References | (5 earlier) <ek5mmbF3tgtU2@mid.individual.net> <ek5n0uF3vscU2@mid.individual.net> <9axDA.503041$3a3.133724@fx43.am4> <ek881dFj6o5U1@mid.individual.net> <VESDA.528967$nT1.284321@fx44.am4> |
"Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> wrote in message news:VESDA.528967$nT1.284321@fx44.am4... > > "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message > news:ek881dFj6o5U1@mid.individual.net... >> On 1/04/2017 5:25 AM, Benderthe.evilrobot wrote: >>> >>> "Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message >>> news:ek5n0uF3vscU2@mid.individual.net... >>>> On 31/03/2017 11:31 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>> On 31/03/2017 11:10 AM, Sylvia Else wrote: >>>>>> On 31/03/2017 9:22 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>> On 31/03/2017 9:17 AM, Sylvia Else wrote: >>>>>>>> On 31/03/2017 7:21 AM, Benderthe.evilrobot wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:ejp7o7Fj307U1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>> I wish they'd advertise it better, so that I can ignore it >>>>>>>>>> deliberately. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Is that an Australian thing? - Never heard of it here in the UK. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It was started here, to our shame, but it got picked up in a >>>>>>>> number of >>>>>>>> other countries. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Showing support by turning off efficient lighting, and burning >>>>>>>> inefficient CO2 emitting candles instead, is a common theme. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Earth hour is, above all, a demonstration of ignorance. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> **Well, not really. It was designed to make people aware of the >>>>>>> problems >>>>>>> this planet faces and that we ALL need to work together to make a >>>>>>> difference. Certainly, turning off pool pumps (or filling in a pool, >>>>>>> like I did), or air conditioners will make several orders of >>>>>>> magnitude >>>>>>> more impact on the environment than turning off some LED lighting, >>>>>>> but >>>>>>> lighting is easy to see. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Whatever the intent behind it, all it's managed to demonstrate is >>>>>> that >>>>>> people have little understanding of the issues. >>>>> >>>>> **How do you know? >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> Because if they did, they're realise that burning candles is not the >>>> way to show support. >>> >>> Most people don't even think about all electric cars mostly still >>> require burning fossil fuel to generate the electricity in the first >>> place - countries with coal fired power stations didn't win much at all. >>> >> >> **Probably more than you think. Electric cars have some major advantages >> over IC cars. Including: >> >> * Maximum toque at zero RPM. >> * Around 90%+ efficiency at ALL RPM figures. My last couple of cars were >> fitted with fuel consumption computers. When cold, the car consumed >> around 20L/100km on flat ground, with moderate throttle opening. When >> warm, that figure fell to around 6L/100km. An electric vehicle consumes >> the same amount, regardless of temperature (within obvious limits). No >> warm-up is required. Since many city vehicles are operated over short >> trips, fuel efficiency can be spectacularly bad. Long trips suit IC >> engines quite well. >> * Regenerative braking. This is the big one and particularly for city >> drivers. As much as 60% of the energy which would be otherwise wasted as >> heat, can be used to recharge the batteries. >> >> All of which demonstrates the the average fuel economy of an electric >> vehicle can be quite low, in terms of CO2 production/km. That said, for >> me, if I had an electric vehicle, I could easily meet my transport needs >> by using an array of PV cells on the roof of my garage. Thus the total >> nett CO2 contribution would be zero. YMMV. > > I know all those advantages exist - but it still burns *SOME* fossil fuel > unless its nuclear or renewable. > The UK government has cancelled all subsidies for renewables Wrong, as always. > - we're going to buy French generators Wrong, as always. > and pay the Chinese to build the power station Wrong, as always. > and handle our sensitive strategic materials. Wrong, as always.
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Dang - missed Earth Hour again Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-03-26 18:08 +1100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> - 2017-03-30 21:21 +0100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Colin Horsley <horsley-spam@westnet.com.au> - 2017-03-31 08:13 +1100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-03-31 09:17 +1100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-03-31 09:22 +1100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-03-31 11:10 +1100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Rheilly Phoull <rheilly@bigslong.com> - 2017-03-31 08:25 +0800
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-03-31 11:28 +1100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Rheilly Phoull <rheilly@bigslong.com> - 2017-03-31 11:37 +0800
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-31 15:21 +1100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-03-31 16:29 +1000
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-03-31 16:39 +1100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-31 17:17 +1100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-03-31 11:31 +1100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-03-31 11:43 +1100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-03-31 11:58 +1100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-03-31 12:13 +1100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-03-31 16:30 +1000
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> - 2017-03-31 19:29 +0100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> - 2017-03-31 19:25 +0100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-04-01 10:39 +1100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> - 2017-04-01 19:51 +0100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-04-02 10:10 +1000
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-04-02 14:21 +1000
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> - 2017-04-02 18:17 +0100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-04-03 03:58 +1000
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> - 2017-04-02 19:27 +0100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-04-03 10:03 +1000
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> - 2017-04-03 19:50 +0100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-04-04 06:43 +1000
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> - 2017-04-03 21:49 +0100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-04-04 08:55 +1000
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> - 2017-04-04 20:13 +0100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-04-05 06:21 +1000
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2017-04-03 21:44 +0000
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> - 2017-04-04 20:16 +0100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-04-05 06:22 +1000
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> - 2017-04-06 19:26 +0100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 14:30 +1000
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> - 2017-04-11 19:43 +0100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-04-12 05:35 +1000
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-04-03 08:23 +1000
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-04-03 12:55 +1000
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> - 2017-04-03 19:52 +0100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-31 15:22 +1100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> - 2017-03-31 19:19 +0100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2017-03-31 15:51 +1100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-03-31 16:37 +1100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2017-03-31 20:06 +1000
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2017-04-01 17:06 +1100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-04-01 17:03 +1100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-04-01 21:05 +1000
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-04-02 07:42 +1000
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> - 2017-03-31 19:15 +0100
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