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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | aus.electronics |
| Subject | Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again |
| Date | 2017-04-03 10:03 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <ekdhr0Fk8lgU2@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
| References | (9 earlier) <VESDA.528967$nT1.284321@fx44.am4> <ekbctsF74isU1@mid.individual.net> <LmaEA.523473$fZ.122334@fx41.am4> <ekcsf3Fg6rdU3@mid.individual.net> <EobEA.752090$vF2.567201@fx46.am4> |
"Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> wrote in message news:EobEA.752090$vF2.567201@fx46.am4... > > "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:ekcsf3Fg6rdU3@mid.individual.net... >> >> >> "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> wrote in >> message news:LmaEA.523473$fZ.122334@fx41.am4... >>> >>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>> news:ekbctsF74isU1@mid.individual.net... >>>> On 2/04/2017 4:51 AM, Benderthe.evilrobot wrote: >>>>> >>>>> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message >>>>> news:ek881dFj6o5U1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>> On 1/04/2017 5:25 AM, Benderthe.evilrobot wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:ek5n0uF3vscU2@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>> On 31/03/2017 11:31 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 31/03/2017 11:10 AM, Sylvia Else wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 31/03/2017 9:22 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 31/03/2017 9:17 AM, Sylvia Else wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 31/03/2017 7:21 AM, Benderthe.evilrobot wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>> news:ejp7o7Fj307U1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wish they'd advertise it better, so that I can ignore it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> deliberately. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Is that an Australian thing? - Never heard of it here in the >>>>>>>>>>>>> UK. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> It was started here, to our shame, but it got picked up in a >>>>>>>>>>>> number of >>>>>>>>>>>> other countries. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Showing support by turning off efficient lighting, and burning >>>>>>>>>>>> inefficient CO2 emitting candles instead, is a common theme. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Earth hour is, above all, a demonstration of ignorance. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> **Well, not really. It was designed to make people aware of the >>>>>>>>>>> problems >>>>>>>>>>> this planet faces and that we ALL need to work together to make >>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>> difference. Certainly, turning off pool pumps (or filling in a >>>>>>>>>>> pool, >>>>>>>>>>> like I did), or air conditioners will make several orders of >>>>>>>>>>> magnitude >>>>>>>>>>> more impact on the environment than turning off some LED >>>>>>>>>>> lighting, but >>>>>>>>>>> lighting is easy to see. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Whatever the intent behind it, all it's managed to demonstrate is >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> people have little understanding of the issues. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> **How do you know? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Because if they did, they're realise that burning candles is not >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> way to show support. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Most people don't even think about all electric cars mostly still >>>>>>> require burning fossil fuel to generate the electricity in the first >>>>>>> place - countries with coal fired power stations didn't win much at >>>>>>> all. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> **Probably more than you think. Electric cars have some major >>>>>> advantages over IC cars. Including: >>>>>> >>>>>> * Maximum toque at zero RPM. >>>>>> * Around 90%+ efficiency at ALL RPM figures. My last couple of cars >>>>>> were fitted with fuel consumption computers. When cold, the car >>>>>> consumed around 20L/100km on flat ground, with moderate throttle >>>>>> opening. When warm, that figure fell to around 6L/100km. An electric >>>>>> vehicle consumes the same amount, regardless of temperature (within >>>>>> obvious limits). No warm-up is required. Since many city vehicles are >>>>>> operated over short trips, fuel efficiency can be spectacularly bad. >>>>>> Long trips suit IC engines quite well. >>>>>> * Regenerative braking. This is the big one and particularly for city >>>>>> drivers. As much as 60% of the energy which would be otherwise wasted >>>>>> as heat, can be used to recharge the batteries. >>>>>> >>>>>> All of which demonstrates the the average fuel economy of an electric >>>>>> vehicle can be quite low, in terms of CO2 production/km. That said, >>>>>> for me, if I had an electric vehicle, I could easily meet my >>>>>> transport >>>>>> needs by using an array of PV cells on the roof of my garage. Thus >>>>>> the >>>>>> total nett CO2 contribution would be zero. YMMV. >>>>> >>>>> I know all those advantages exist - but it still burns *SOME* fossil >>>>> fuel unless its nuclear or renewable. >>>> >>>> **Duh. No one ever claimed that an electric car was completely benign. >>>> It is, however, significantly cleaner than an equivalent petrol or >>>> Diesel car, even when powered by coal-fired power. That said, Tesla >>>> have promised to obtain all their electricity from renewable sources >>>> for their free charging stations. And, as I stated, for many city >>>> dwellers, any electric vehicle will emit significantly less CO2 (via a >>>> coal-fired power station) under day to day use. For long distance >>>> driving, the benefits will be less obvious. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> The UK government has cancelled all subsidies for renewables - we're >>>>> going to buy French generators and pay the Chinese to build the power >>>>> station and handle our sensitive strategic materials. >>>> >>>> **Cites please. >>> >>> The news has gone quiet on this recently - The French company supplying >>> the generators fucked up a contract in some other country and is in >>> financial trouble. They've already started preparing land in the UK to >>> build it, but political wrangling has cast doubt over the project - so >>> the French could find themselves in even more financial trouble. All >>> this hasn't been helped by a company executive blowing the whistle on >>> sub standard steel used in the containment vessel. >>> >>> The Chinese involvement is the Tories favourite phrase "inward >>> investment" - PFI in other words. A private company makes most of the >>> investment in a public service facility and builds it to run as a >>> business. The standard operating procedure is to set up various bogus >>> contractors to charge themselves £400 to change a light bulb, which they >>> then claim back from the treasury. >> >> Doesn’t qualify as 'handle our sensitive strategic materials' > > Hardly worth getting the Chinese to handle the nuclear materials if we > have to employ guards to stop them lifting any. They have far more of their own already. And its so cheap they can buy it from us, and do.
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Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Benderthe.evilrobot" <Benderthe.evilrobot@virginmedia.com> - 2017-03-30 21:21 +0100
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Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-31 17:17 +1100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-03-31 11:31 +1100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-03-31 11:43 +1100
Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-03-31 11:58 +1100
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Re: Dang - missed Earth Hour again "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-04-03 10:03 +1000
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