Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen

From	felix <me@nothere.invalid>
Newsgroups	aus.computers, aus.tv, aus.electronics
Subject	Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen
Date	2016-01-21 16:41 +1100
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On 21-January-2016 11:17 AM, F Murtz wrote:
> felix wrote:
>> On 19-January-2016 1:30 AM, keithr wrote:
>>> On 18/01/2016 4:59 PM, felix wrote:
>>>> On 18-January-2016 4:52 PM, Clocky wrote:
>>>>> On 18/01/2016 9:10 AM, felix wrote:
>>>>>> On 18-January-2016 10:14 AM, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>> On 18/01/2016 4:42 AM, felix wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 17-January-2016 10:58 PM, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 17/01/2016 7:14 PM, felix wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 17-January-2016 8:47 PM, keithr wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 17/01/2016 12:34 PM, felix wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17-January-2016 12:45 PM, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17/01/2016 9:14 AM, felix wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17-January-2016 12:08 PM, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 16/01/2016 9:39 PM, felix wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17-January-2016 12:01 AM, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 16/01/2016 10:41 AM, Je�us wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 13:32:48 +1100, felix
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <me@nothere.invalid>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 16-January-2016 1:15 PM, Je?us wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 11:42:28 +1100, felix
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <me@nothere.invalid>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 16-January-2016 11:17 AM, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/01/2016 6:32 AM, felix wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I suppose you can see a difference when using two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brands of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HDMI cables too can you, because it makes just as 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well you are completely wrong there because there are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> visible
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> differences between HDMI cables. if you can't see 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assume you do not have equipment of sufficient 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quality
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You really are a lost cause :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any HDMI cables that are *well made* out of reasonable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quality
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> materials and are not faulty in some way and of the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> length
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> produce the same result.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no, you are if you want to argue against what is well
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> known
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> among
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> audiophiles the world over, ie. that interconnect 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quality
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> affects
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> audio/video quality
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL. Go to stereo.net and start a thread there on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> topic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Espouse your theories there. Please do :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NB: I see you edited out the rest of my reply (which I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reinstated).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only reason you'd do that is because you're trolling,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point of being convinced is exactly what you've been 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> past
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> three weeks or so. Your opinions on everything are just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *too*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ridiculous to be for real.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Agreed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you must be as stupid as he is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're trolling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> oh really? care to point out the bit that was edited and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reinstated?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> no answer I see
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I suggest it's you who's trolling. and you are at least
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignorant if you are unaware that AV interconnects have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bearing on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> performance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're ignorant of all the technical details of how a digital
>>>>>>>>>>>>> signals
>>>>>>>>>>>>> differs
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> am I? what have I said that's wrong about digital signals? 
>>>>>>>>>>>> quote
>>>>>>>>>>>> please..
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and you are applying analog signal principles to digital
>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> connections.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> so according to you, if I connect my Yamaha amp with a $2 HDMI
>>>>>>>>>>>> cable and
>>>>>>>>>>>> then with a $300 monster cable, I will see no difference. it's
>>>>>>>>>>>> not so.
>>>>>>>>>>>> you are aware that some HDMI cables can't handle 1080p for
>>>>>>>>>>>> example, I
>>>>>>>>>>>> suppose? but then.. I suppose not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> < http://www.hdmi.org/consumer/finding_right_cable.aspx >
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> and here's more detail about HDMI cable standards and specs..
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://denon.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/192/~/differences-between-hdmi-versions-1.1,-1.2,-1.3a,-1.4-and-2.0%3F 
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sure your HDMI cable can cause signal drops and errors but 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> manifest in any way shape or form in the way you are 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggesting
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> your silly nonsense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> the silly nonsense that HDMI can affect video and audio
>>>>>>>>>>>> performance?
>>>>>>>>>>>> that silly nonsense? well you're wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So either you are trolling or your a complete dill.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm neither. but you're ignorant on this matter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You are the kind of wood duck that companies like Monster just
>>>>>>>>>>> love,
>>>>>>>>>>> they'd go broke without people like you.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Monster Cable Products, Inc is the world's leading 
>>>>>>>>>> manufacturer of
>>>>>>>>>> high
>>>>>>>>>> end cables that connect audio/video components for home, car and
>>>>>>>>>> professional use. Monster's audio cables have high performance
>>>>>>>>>> sound
>>>>>>>>>> characteristics that increase the clarity, dynamics and power
>>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>>> audio signals. The video cables give improved picture quality to
>>>>>>>>>> television and home theatre systems.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (and I can confirm that is so)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Monster Cable Products, Inc. was started in 1979 by Noel Lee, 
>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>> then a laser-fusion design engineer at Lawrence-Livermore
>>>>>>>>>> Laboratory, as
>>>>>>>>>> well as an audiophile and drummer/musician, found that wires of
>>>>>>>>>> different constructions produced varying degrees of audio
>>>>>>>>>> performance
>>>>>>>>>> when hooked up to loudspeakers.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (exactly what I have found and said here and got rubbished 
>>>>>>>>>> for it)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  From this discovery, he crafted a high performance cable. He
>>>>>>>>>> named it
>>>>>>>>>> Monster Cable, and founded an industry that has since exploded.
>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>> creation of Monster Cable started a new product category of high
>>>>>>>>>> performance audio cables that revolutionised the audio market.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Lee chose the name "Monster" for two reasons. It sounded strong
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> powerful, and the size of the cable was "monstrous" compared to
>>>>>>>>>> ordinary
>>>>>>>>>> loudspeaker cable. The name was a hit straightaway and now is
>>>>>>>>>> sometimes
>>>>>>>>>> misused to mean any high performance cable.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Monster offers more than 1000 products, and has become an
>>>>>>>>>> indispensable
>>>>>>>>>> accessory for music lovers, audiophiles, recording studios, 
>>>>>>>>>> sound
>>>>>>>>>> professionals, musicians, custom installers and home theatre
>>>>>>>>>> enthusiasts.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> More than 2,000 different CDs have given Monster Cable credit
>>>>>>>>>> on the
>>>>>>>>>> jacket of their recordings and hundreds of feature film sound
>>>>>>>>>> tracks and
>>>>>>>>>> Foley sound effects have been recorded with Monster Cable.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.ehifi.com.au/brands/monster.aspx
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> but of course you know better, and it's all nonsense. idiot!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You can believe whatever scam you like,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> because it isn't. I have just one question for you.. what
>>>>>>>> experience do
>>>>>>>> YOU PERSONALLY have with AV cables and decent AV equipment?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> More then you obviously when you can't even grasp the basics of
>>>>>>> digital signals.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you're avoiding the question. what testing have YOU personally 
>>>>>> done of
>>>>>> AV input/output cables? part of my working career was with a
>>>>>> manufacturer of hi end audio.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which make your claims even more ludicrous.
>>>>
>>>> still no answer about YOUR experience
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> why do you think at trade shows they DON'T use cheap cables if it
>>>>>> makes no difference?
>>>>>
>>>>> Gross profit is why. Selling overpriced cables to numpties like 
>>>>> you is
>>>>> big business.
>>>>
>>>> and other 'numpties' like.. "music lovers, audiophiles, recording
>>>> studios, sound
>>>> professionals, musicians, custom installers and home theatre
>>>> enthusiasts" apparently
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> but read this and understand why what you think you see is
>>>>>>>>> impossible
>>>>>>>>> with HDMI.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.cnet.com/news/why-all-hdmi-cables-are-the-same/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>> http://denon.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/192/~/differences-between-hdmi-versions-1.1,-1.2,-1.3a,-1.4-and-2.0%3F 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You still don't get it. There are different cables supporting
>>>>>>> different data rates and features. What that means is that 
>>>>>>> either the
>>>>>>> cable will work, or it won't. You're not going to see any 
>>>>>>> difference
>>>>>>> in image quality between cables (with the possible exception of
>>>>>>> sparkling but that's not what you are describing).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> no. why do you think HDMI cables are rated according to spec? 
>>>>>> care to
>>>>>> explain how a 1.2 cable can handle 10.2 Gbps 1080p or 4k resolution
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> 16bit colour depth when it can't?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What does that have to do with the image you see and the claims you
>>>>> make as to being able to see a difference?
>>>>
>>>> if you don't even know the answer to that, there's no point in even
>>>> discussing
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You haven't posted anything that supports your theory that there is
>>>>> any difference between cheap and expensive cables of the same
>>>>> specification in terms of what you see on the screen.
>>>>
>>>> oh, so now it's 'of the same specification' is it..
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I suspect you have no practical knowledge of the matter and are only
>>>>>> talking theory. but no point in arguing endlessly. you will not
>>>>>> convince
>>>>>> me, or anyone else with any experience with interconnects, that
>>>>>> I/we do
>>>>>> not see and hear what we do see and hear, or don't, depending on the
>>>>>> cable used.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's all in the befuddled mess you call your mind.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> yeah, keep talkin. saying it's so doesn't make it so. and STILL you
>>>> don't say what real practical experience you have with cables which
>>>> makes you such an expert. but actually, don't keep talkin. I'm done 
>>>> with
>>>> you..
>>>
>>> Speaking as one who has had  formal education in electronics and has
>>> spent 50 odd years pushing all sorts of signals through all sorts of
>>> cables, I say that you are talking through your arse.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> so then genius, now explain to me please how a HDMI spec 1.1 cable can
>> perform the same as a HDMI spec 2 cable?
>>
>
> Did he say that? most respondents say that cable specs do have a 
> bearing but not in the context of the argument.

well since a spec 1.1 cable can't handle 16 bit colour and 1080p, 
obviously you will see a better picture with the spec 2 cable.

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                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-16 14:24 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jeßus <j@invalid.lan> - 2016-01-16 13:25 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-16 14:10 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jeßus <j@invalid.lan> - 2016-01-16 15:13 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2016-01-16 16:02 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-16 16:48 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 19:36 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-16 20:57 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 03:59 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jeßus <j@invalid.lan> - 2016-01-17 09:34 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-16 16:44 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen jonz <johnhhhinton7@gmail.com> - 2016-01-15 22:29 -0800
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 19:34 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-16 20:52 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 03:56 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jeßus <j@invalid.lan> - 2016-01-17 09:38 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 10:02 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-17 10:28 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 11:46 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2016-01-17 01:39 +0000
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jeßus <j@invalid.lan> - 2016-01-17 13:33 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-17 13:39 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 13:46 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jeßus <j@invalid.lan> - 2016-01-17 14:14 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2016-01-17 13:47 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jeßus <j@invalid.lan> - 2016-01-17 14:11 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-17 14:18 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 13:42 +1100
          Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-15 15:55 +1100
            Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-15 20:53 +1100
    Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-01-14 16:53 +0000
      Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "SG1" <Lost@the.races.com> - 2016-01-15 08:57 +1000
        Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jeßus <j@invalid.lan> - 2016-01-15 10:18 +1100
          Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-15 10:53 +1100
            Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jeßus <j@invalid.lan> - 2016-01-15 20:14 +1100
      Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2016-01-14 23:30 +0000
  Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Trevor <trevor@home.net> - 2016-01-14 17:28 +1100
    Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-14 20:46 +1100
      Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 21:00 +1100
      Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Trevor <trevor@home.net> - 2016-01-14 22:01 +1100
        Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-15 00:43 +1100
          Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jeßus <j@invalid.lan> - 2016-01-15 07:21 +1100
          Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen hereford <takecarebeware@gmail.com> - 2016-01-15 12:27 +1100
          Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2016-01-16 00:33 +1100
            Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2016-01-15 22:52 +0000
              Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-16 11:29 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jeßus <j@invalid.lan> - 2016-01-16 13:32 +1100
              Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 12:58 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-16 13:27 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jeßus <j@invalid.lan> - 2016-01-16 13:42 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 15:16 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-16 16:46 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 19:35 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-16 20:55 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 03:57 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-17 09:40 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 10:05 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-17 10:31 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Jacko" <Jacko_ONE@bigpond.com> - 2016-01-17 09:47 +1000
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jeßus <j@invalid.lan> - 2016-01-17 11:35 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-17 12:02 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen keithr <no-one@nowhere.com.au> - 2016-01-17 20:21 +1000
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jeßus <j@invalid.lan> - 2016-01-18 07:07 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 09:16 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-18 09:45 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 11:46 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jeßus <j@invalid.lan> - 2016-01-17 10:41 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-17 10:58 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 11:54 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-17 12:07 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 13:40 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 11:48 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jeßus <j@invalid.lan> - 2016-01-17 13:36 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-17 13:40 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 13:49 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jeßus <j@invalid.lan> - 2016-01-17 14:17 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-17 14:21 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 16:28 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jeßus <j@invalid.lan> - 2016-01-16 13:33 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 15:18 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jeßus <j@invalid.lan> - 2016-01-16 15:39 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 19:15 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> - 2016-01-18 07:18 +0800
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 10:48 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-18 11:18 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> - 2016-01-18 14:01 +0800
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jeßus <j@invalid.lan> - 2016-01-18 18:06 +1100
              Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2016-01-16 21:00 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 04:01 +1100
            Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-16 11:20 +1100
              Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jeßus <j@invalid.lan> - 2016-01-16 13:34 +1100
              Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2016-01-17 01:14 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-17 02:31 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-01-16 19:31 +0000
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 07:55 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2016-01-16 21:27 +0000
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 10:01 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-17 10:25 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-01-17 14:18 +0000
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jeßus <j@invalid.lan> - 2016-01-18 07:11 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-01-17 21:18 +0000
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jeßus <j@invalid.lan> - 2016-01-18 09:09 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-18 09:12 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-01-18 19:40 +0000
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-19 11:37 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-01-19 16:19 +0000
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-20 12:01 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-01-20 20:00 +0000
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-21 09:19 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-18 09:03 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-18 08:58 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-01-18 19:12 +0000
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-19 10:48 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> - 2016-01-19 09:13 +0800
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2016-01-17 18:51 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-17 19:57 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Trevor <trevor@home.net> - 2016-01-18 13:46 +1100
      Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jeßus <j@invalid.lan> - 2016-01-15 07:25 +1100
  Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Robert" <robert@no.email> - 2016-01-14 14:29 +0800
    Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Trevor <trevor@home.net> - 2016-01-14 19:05 +1100
      Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 20:04 +1100
      Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Robert" <robert@no.email> - 2016-01-14 17:00 +0800
        Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2016-01-14 20:39 +1100
        Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-14 20:52 +1100
          Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 21:01 +1100
        Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Trevor <trevor@home.net> - 2016-01-14 21:57 +1100
          Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-15 06:30 +1100
    Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-14 20:50 +1100
      Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 21:01 +1100
    Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jeßus <j@invalid.lan> - 2016-01-15 07:22 +1100
    Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen hereford <takecarebeware@gmail.com> - 2016-01-15 12:25 +1100
      Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jeßus <j@invalid.lan> - 2016-01-15 20:16 +1100
      Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Trevor <trevor@home.net> - 2016-01-17 13:23 +1100
        Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-17 13:44 +1100
          Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Trevor <trevor@home.net> - 2016-01-17 14:02 +1100
            Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-17 14:15 +1100
          Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen hereford <takecarebeware@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 03:03 +1100

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