Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen

From	keithr <no-one@nowhere.com.au>
Newsgroups	aus.computers, aus.tv, aus.electronics
Subject	Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen
Date	2016-01-19 00:30 +1000
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On 18/01/2016 4:59 PM, felix wrote:
> On 18-January-2016 4:52 PM, Clocky wrote:
>> On 18/01/2016 9:10 AM, felix wrote:
>>> On 18-January-2016 10:14 AM, Clocky wrote:
>>>> On 18/01/2016 4:42 AM, felix wrote:
>>>>> On 17-January-2016 10:58 PM, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>> On 17/01/2016 7:14 PM, felix wrote:
>>>>>>> On 17-January-2016 8:47 PM, keithr wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 17/01/2016 12:34 PM, felix wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 17-January-2016 12:45 PM, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 17/01/2016 9:14 AM, felix wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 17-January-2016 12:08 PM, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 16/01/2016 9:39 PM, felix wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17-January-2016 12:01 AM, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 16/01/2016 10:41 AM, Je�us wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 13:32:48 +1100, felix
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <me@nothere.invalid>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 16-January-2016 1:15 PM, Je?us wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 11:42:28 +1100, felix
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <me@nothere.invalid>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 16-January-2016 11:17 AM, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/01/2016 6:32 AM, felix wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I suppose you can see a difference when using two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brands of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HDMI cables too can you, because it makes just as much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well you are completely wrong there because there are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> visible
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> differences between HDMI cables. if you can't see them,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assume you do not have equipment of sufficient quality
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You really are a lost cause :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any HDMI cables that are *well made* out of reasonable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quality
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> materials and are not faulty in some way and of the same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> length
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> produce the same result.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no, you are if you want to argue against what is well known
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> among
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> audiophiles the world over, ie. that interconnect quality
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> affects
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> audio/video quality
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL. Go to stereo.net and start a thread there on the topic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Espouse your theories there. Please do :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NB: I see you edited out the rest of my reply (which I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reinstated).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only reason you'd do that is because you're trolling, which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point of being convinced is exactly what you've been doing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> past
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> three weeks or so. Your opinions on everything are just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *too*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ridiculous to be for real.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Agreed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you must be as stupid as he is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You're trolling
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> oh really? care to point out the bit that was edited and then
>>>>>>>>>>> reinstated?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> no answer I see
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I suggest it's you who's trolling. and you are at least
>>>>>>>>>>> ignorant if you are unaware that AV interconnects have a
>>>>>>>>>>> bearing on
>>>>>>>>>>> performance.
>>>>>>>>>> You're ignorant of all the technical details of how a digital
>>>>>>>>>> signals
>>>>>>>>>> differs
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> am I? what have I said that's wrong about digital signals? quote
>>>>>>>>> please..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> and you are applying analog signal principles to digital devices
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> connections.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> so according to you, if I connect my Yamaha amp with a $2 HDMI
>>>>>>>>> cable and
>>>>>>>>> then with a $300 monster cable, I will see no difference. it's
>>>>>>>>> not so.
>>>>>>>>> you are aware that some HDMI cables can't handle 1080p for
>>>>>>>>> example, I
>>>>>>>>> suppose? but then.. I suppose not.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> < http://www.hdmi.org/consumer/finding_right_cable.aspx >
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and here's more detail about HDMI cable standards and specs..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>> http://denon.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/192/~/differences-between-hdmi-versions-1.1,-1.2,-1.3a,-1.4-and-2.0%3F
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sure your HDMI cable can cause signal drops and errors but they
>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>> manifest in any way shape or form in the way you are suggesting
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> your silly nonsense.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the silly nonsense that HDMI can affect video and audio
>>>>>>>>> performance?
>>>>>>>>> that silly nonsense? well you're wrong.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So either you are trolling or your a complete dill.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm neither. but you're ignorant on this matter.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You are the kind of wood duck that companies like Monster just
>>>>>>>> love,
>>>>>>>> they'd go broke without people like you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Monster Cable Products, Inc is the world's leading manufacturer of
>>>>>>> high
>>>>>>> end cables that connect audio/video components for home, car and
>>>>>>> professional use. Monster's audio cables have high performance sound
>>>>>>> characteristics that increase the clarity, dynamics and power of the
>>>>>>> audio signals. The video cables give improved picture quality to
>>>>>>> television and home theatre systems.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (and I can confirm that is so)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Monster Cable Products, Inc. was started in 1979 by Noel Lee, who
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> then a laser-fusion design engineer at Lawrence-Livermore
>>>>>>> Laboratory, as
>>>>>>> well as an audiophile and drummer/musician, found that wires of
>>>>>>> different constructions produced varying degrees of audio
>>>>>>> performance
>>>>>>> when hooked up to loudspeakers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (exactly what I have found and said here and got rubbished for it)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  From this discovery, he crafted a high performance cable. He
>>>>>>> named it
>>>>>>> Monster Cable, and founded an industry that has since exploded. The
>>>>>>> creation of Monster Cable started a new product category of high
>>>>>>> performance audio cables that revolutionised the audio market.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lee chose the name "Monster" for two reasons. It sounded strong and
>>>>>>> powerful, and the size of the cable was "monstrous" compared to
>>>>>>> ordinary
>>>>>>> loudspeaker cable. The name was a hit straightaway and now is
>>>>>>> sometimes
>>>>>>> misused to mean any high performance cable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Monster offers more than 1000 products, and has become an
>>>>>>> indispensable
>>>>>>> accessory for music lovers, audiophiles, recording studios, sound
>>>>>>> professionals, musicians, custom installers and home theatre
>>>>>>> enthusiasts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> More than 2,000 different CDs have given Monster Cable credit on the
>>>>>>> jacket of their recordings and hundreds of feature film sound
>>>>>>> tracks and
>>>>>>> Foley sound effects have been recorded with Monster Cable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.ehifi.com.au/brands/monster.aspx
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> but of course you know better, and it's all nonsense. idiot!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can believe whatever scam you like,
>>>>>
>>>>> because it isn't. I have just one question for you.. what
>>>>> experience do
>>>>> YOU PERSONALLY have with AV cables and decent AV equipment?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> More then you obviously when you can't even grasp the basics of
>>>> digital signals.
>>>
>>> you're avoiding the question. what testing have YOU personally done of
>>> AV input/output cables? part of my working career was with a
>>> manufacturer of hi end audio.
>>
>> Which make your claims even more ludicrous.
>
> still no answer about YOUR experience
>
>>
>>
>>> why do you think at trade shows they DON'T use cheap cables if it
>>> makes no difference?
>>
>> Gross profit is why. Selling overpriced cables to numpties like you is
>> big business.
>
> and other 'numpties' like.. "music lovers, audiophiles, recording
> studios, sound
> professionals, musicians, custom installers and home theatre
> enthusiasts" apparently
>
>>
>>>>
>>>>>> but read this and understand why what you think you see is impossible
>>>>>> with HDMI.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.cnet.com/news/why-all-hdmi-cables-are-the-same/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <
>>>>> http://denon.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/192/~/differences-between-hdmi-versions-1.1,-1.2,-1.3a,-1.4-and-2.0%3F
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  >
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You still don't get it. There are different cables supporting
>>>> different data rates and features. What that means is that either the
>>>> cable will work, or it won't. You're not going to see any difference
>>>> in image quality between cables (with the possible exception of
>>>> sparkling but that's not what you are describing).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> no. why do you think HDMI cables are rated according to spec? care to
>>> explain how a 1.2 cable can handle 10.2 Gbps 1080p or 4k resolution and
>>> 16bit colour depth when it can't?
>>>
>>
>> What does that have to do with the image you see and the claims you
>> make as to being able to see a difference?
>
> if you don't even know the answer to that, there's no point in even
> discussing
>
>>
>> You haven't posted anything that supports your theory that there is
>> any difference between cheap and expensive cables of the same
>> specification in terms of what you see on the screen.
>
> oh, so now it's 'of the same specification' is it..
>
>>
>>
>>> I suspect you have no practical knowledge of the matter and are only
>>> talking theory. but no point in arguing endlessly. you will not convince
>>> me, or anyone else with any experience with interconnects, that I/we do
>>> not see and hear what we do see and hear, or don't, depending on the
>>> cable used.
>>>
>>
>> It's all in the befuddled mess you call your mind.
>>
>>
>
> yeah, keep talkin. saying it's so doesn't make it so. and STILL you
> don't say what real practical experience you have with cables which
> makes you such an expert. but actually, don't keep talkin. I'm done with
> you..

Speaking as one who has had  formal education in electronics and has 
spent 50 odd years pushing all sorts of signals through all sorts of 
cables, I say that you are talking through your arse.

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                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen jonz <johnhhhinton7@gmail.com> - 2016-01-15 22:29 -0800
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 19:34 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-16 20:52 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 03:56 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jeßus <j@invalid.lan> - 2016-01-17 09:38 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 10:02 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-17 10:28 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 11:46 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2016-01-17 01:39 +0000
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jeßus <j@invalid.lan> - 2016-01-17 13:33 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-17 13:39 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 13:46 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jeßus <j@invalid.lan> - 2016-01-17 14:14 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2016-01-17 13:47 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jeßus <j@invalid.lan> - 2016-01-17 14:11 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-17 14:18 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 13:42 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-15 15:55 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-15 20:53 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-01-14 16:53 +0000
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "SG1" <Lost@the.races.com> - 2016-01-15 08:57 +1000
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jeßus <j@invalid.lan> - 2016-01-15 10:18 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-15 10:53 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jeßus <j@invalid.lan> - 2016-01-15 20:14 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2016-01-14 23:30 +0000
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Trevor <trevor@home.net> - 2016-01-14 17:28 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-14 20:46 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 21:00 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Trevor <trevor@home.net> - 2016-01-14 22:01 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-15 00:43 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jeßus <j@invalid.lan> - 2016-01-15 07:21 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen hereford <takecarebeware@gmail.com> - 2016-01-15 12:27 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2016-01-16 00:33 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2016-01-15 22:52 +0000
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-16 11:29 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jeßus <j@invalid.lan> - 2016-01-16 13:32 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 12:58 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-16 13:27 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jeßus <j@invalid.lan> - 2016-01-16 13:42 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 15:16 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-16 16:46 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 19:35 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-16 20:55 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 03:57 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-17 09:40 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 10:05 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-17 10:31 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Jacko" <Jacko_ONE@bigpond.com> - 2016-01-17 09:47 +1000
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jeßus <j@invalid.lan> - 2016-01-17 11:35 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-17 12:02 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen keithr <no-one@nowhere.com.au> - 2016-01-17 20:21 +1000
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jeßus <j@invalid.lan> - 2016-01-18 07:07 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 09:16 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-18 09:45 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 11:46 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jeßus <j@invalid.lan> - 2016-01-17 10:41 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-17 10:58 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 11:54 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-17 12:07 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 13:40 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 11:48 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jeßus <j@invalid.lan> - 2016-01-17 13:36 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-17 13:40 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 13:49 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jeßus <j@invalid.lan> - 2016-01-17 14:17 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-17 14:21 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 16:28 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jeßus <j@invalid.lan> - 2016-01-16 13:33 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 15:18 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jeßus <j@invalid.lan> - 2016-01-16 15:39 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 19:15 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> - 2016-01-18 07:18 +0800
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 10:48 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-18 11:18 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> - 2016-01-18 14:01 +0800
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jeßus <j@invalid.lan> - 2016-01-18 18:06 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2016-01-16 21:00 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 04:01 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-16 11:20 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jeßus <j@invalid.lan> - 2016-01-16 13:34 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2016-01-17 01:14 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-17 02:31 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-01-16 19:31 +0000
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 07:55 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2016-01-16 21:27 +0000
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 10:01 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-17 10:25 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-01-17 14:18 +0000
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jeßus <j@invalid.lan> - 2016-01-18 07:11 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-01-17 21:18 +0000
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jeßus <j@invalid.lan> - 2016-01-18 09:09 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-18 09:12 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-01-18 19:40 +0000
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-19 11:37 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-01-19 16:19 +0000
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-20 12:01 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-01-20 20:00 +0000
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-21 09:19 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-18 09:03 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-18 08:58 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-01-18 19:12 +0000
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-19 10:48 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> - 2016-01-19 09:13 +0800
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2016-01-17 18:51 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-17 19:57 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Trevor <trevor@home.net> - 2016-01-18 13:46 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jeßus <j@invalid.lan> - 2016-01-15 07:25 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Robert" <robert@no.email> - 2016-01-14 14:29 +0800
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Trevor <trevor@home.net> - 2016-01-14 19:05 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 20:04 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Robert" <robert@no.email> - 2016-01-14 17:00 +0800
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2016-01-14 20:39 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-14 20:52 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 21:01 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Trevor <trevor@home.net> - 2016-01-14 21:57 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-15 06:30 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-14 20:50 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 21:01 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jeßus <j@invalid.lan> - 2016-01-15 07:22 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen hereford <takecarebeware@gmail.com> - 2016-01-15 12:25 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jeßus <j@invalid.lan> - 2016-01-15 20:16 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Trevor <trevor@home.net> - 2016-01-17 13:23 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-17 13:44 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Trevor <trevor@home.net> - 2016-01-17 14:02 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-17 14:15 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen hereford <takecarebeware@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 03:03 +1100
  Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen harold <takecarebeware@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 02:12 +1100
  Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Dechucka" <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> - 2016-01-16 11:14 +1100

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