Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen

From	felix <me@nothere.biz>
Newsgroups	aus.computers, aus.tv, aus.electronics
Subject	Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen
Date	2016-01-22 13:15 +1100
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On 22/01/2016 12:13 PM, F Murtz wrote:
> felix wrote:
>> On 21-January-2016 7:39 PM, F Murtz wrote:
>>> felix wrote:
>>>> On 21-January-2016 11:17 AM, F Murtz wrote:
>>>>> felix wrote:
>>>>>> On 19-January-2016 1:30 AM, keithr wrote:
>>>>>>> On 18/01/2016 4:59 PM, felix wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 18-January-2016 4:52 PM, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 18/01/2016 9:10 AM, felix wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 18-January-2016 10:14 AM, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 18/01/2016 4:42 AM, felix wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17-January-2016 10:58 PM, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17/01/2016 7:14 PM, felix wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17-January-2016 8:47 PM, keithr wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17/01/2016 12:34 PM, felix wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17-January-2016 12:45 PM, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17/01/2016 9:14 AM, felix wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17-January-2016 12:08 PM, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 16/01/2016 9:39 PM, felix wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17-January-2016 12:01 AM, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 16/01/2016 10:41 AM, Je�us wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 13:32:48 +1100, felix
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <me@nothere.invalid>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 16-January-2016 1:15 PM, Je?us wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 11:42:28 +1100, felix
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <me@nothere.invalid>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 16-January-2016 11:17 AM, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/01/2016 6:32 AM, felix wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I suppose you can see a difference when using 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brands of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HDMI cables too can you, because it makes 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well you are completely wrong there because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> visible
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> differences between HDMI cables. if you can't see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assume you do not have equipment of sufficient
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quality
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You really are a lost cause :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any HDMI cables that are *well made* out of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reasonable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quality
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> materials and are not faulty in some way and of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> length
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> produce the same result.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no, you are if you want to argue against what is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> known
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> among
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> audiophiles the world over, ie. that interconnect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quality
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> affects
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> audio/video quality
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL. Go to stereo.net and start a thread there on 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> topic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Espouse your theories there. Please do :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NB: I see you edited out the rest of my reply 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (which I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reinstated).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only reason you'd do that is because you're 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolling,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point of being convinced is exactly what you've been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> past
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> three weeks or so. Your opinions on everything are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *too*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ridiculous to be for real.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Agreed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you must be as stupid as he is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're trolling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> oh really? care to point out the bit that was edited and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reinstated?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no answer I see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I suggest it's you who's trolling. and you are at least
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignorant if you are unaware that AV interconnects have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bearing on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> performance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're ignorant of all the technical details of how a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> digital
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> signals
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> differs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> am I? what have I said that's wrong about digital signals?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> please..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and you are applying analog signal principles to digital
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connections.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so according to you, if I connect my Yamaha amp with a $2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HDMI
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cable and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then with a $300 monster cable, I will see no difference.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not so.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you are aware that some HDMI cables can't handle 1080p for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> example, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suppose? but then.. I suppose not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < http://www.hdmi.org/consumer/finding_right_cable.aspx >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and here's more detail about HDMI cable standards and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> specs..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://denon.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/192/~/differences-between-hdmi-versions-1.1,-1.2,-1.3a,-1.4-and-2.0%3F 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sure your HDMI cable can cause signal drops and errors 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> manifest in any way shape or form in the way you are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggesting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your silly nonsense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the silly nonsense that HDMI can affect video and audio
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> performance?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that silly nonsense? well you're wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So either you are trolling or your a complete dill.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm neither. but you're ignorant on this matter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are the kind of wood duck that companies like Monster
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> love,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they'd go broke without people like you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monster Cable Products, Inc is the world's leading
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> manufacturer of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> high
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> end cables that connect audio/video components for home,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> car and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> professional use. Monster's audio cables have high 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> performance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sound
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> characteristics that increase the clarity, dynamics and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> power
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> audio signals. The video cables give improved picture
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quality to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> television and home theatre systems.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (and I can confirm that is so)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monster Cable Products, Inc. was started in 1979 by Noel 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lee,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then a laser-fusion design engineer at Lawrence-Livermore
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Laboratory, as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well as an audiophile and drummer/musician, found that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wires of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different constructions produced varying degrees of audio
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> performance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when hooked up to loudspeakers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (exactly what I have found and said here and got rubbished
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for it)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  From this discovery, he crafted a high performance 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cable. He
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> named it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monster Cable, and founded an industry that has since
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exploded.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> creation of Monster Cable started a new product category of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> high
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> performance audio cables that revolutionised the audio 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> market.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lee chose the name "Monster" for two reasons. It sounded
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strong
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> powerful, and the size of the cable was "monstrous"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compared to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ordinary
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> loudspeaker cable. The name was a hit straightaway and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sometimes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> misused to mean any high performance cable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monster offers more than 1000 products, and has become an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> indispensable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accessory for music lovers, audiophiles, recording studios,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sound
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> professionals, musicians, custom installers and home theatre
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enthusiasts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More than 2,000 different CDs have given Monster Cable 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> credit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jacket of their recordings and hundreds of feature film 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sound
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tracks and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foley sound effects have been recorded with Monster Cable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.ehifi.com.au/brands/monster.aspx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but of course you know better, and it's all nonsense. idiot!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can believe whatever scam you like,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> because it isn't. I have just one question for you.. what
>>>>>>>>>>>> experience do
>>>>>>>>>>>> YOU PERSONALLY have with AV cables and decent AV equipment?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> More then you obviously when you can't even grasp the basics of
>>>>>>>>>>> digital signals.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> you're avoiding the question. what testing have YOU personally
>>>>>>>>>> done of
>>>>>>>>>> AV input/output cables? part of my working career was with a
>>>>>>>>>> manufacturer of hi end audio.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Which make your claims even more ludicrous.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> still no answer about YOUR experience
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> why do you think at trade shows they DON'T use cheap cables 
>>>>>>>>>> if it
>>>>>>>>>> makes no difference?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Gross profit is why. Selling overpriced cables to numpties like
>>>>>>>>> you is
>>>>>>>>> big business.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and other 'numpties' like.. "music lovers, audiophiles, recording
>>>>>>>> studios, sound
>>>>>>>> professionals, musicians, custom installers and home theatre
>>>>>>>> enthusiasts" apparently
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but read this and understand why what you think you see is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> impossible
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with HDMI.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.cnet.com/news/why-all-hdmi-cables-are-the-same/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://denon.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/192/~/differences-between-hdmi-versions-1.1,-1.2,-1.3a,-1.4-and-2.0%3F 
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You still don't get it. There are different cables supporting
>>>>>>>>>>> different data rates and features. What that means is that
>>>>>>>>>>> either the
>>>>>>>>>>> cable will work, or it won't. You're not going to see any
>>>>>>>>>>> difference
>>>>>>>>>>> in image quality between cables (with the possible exception of
>>>>>>>>>>> sparkling but that's not what you are describing).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> no. why do you think HDMI cables are rated according to spec?
>>>>>>>>>> care to
>>>>>>>>>> explain how a 1.2 cable can handle 10.2 Gbps 1080p or 4k
>>>>>>>>>> resolution
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> 16bit colour depth when it can't?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What does that have to do with the image you see and the 
>>>>>>>>> claims you
>>>>>>>>> make as to being able to see a difference?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> if you don't even know the answer to that, there's no point in 
>>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>> discussing
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You haven't posted anything that supports your theory that 
>>>>>>>>> there is
>>>>>>>>> any difference between cheap and expensive cables of the same
>>>>>>>>> specification in terms of what you see on the screen.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> oh, so now it's 'of the same specification' is it..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I suspect you have no practical knowledge of the matter and are
>>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>>> talking theory. but no point in arguing endlessly. you will not
>>>>>>>>>> convince
>>>>>>>>>> me, or anyone else with any experience with interconnects, that
>>>>>>>>>> I/we do
>>>>>>>>>> not see and hear what we do see and hear, or don't, depending
>>>>>>>>>> on the
>>>>>>>>>> cable used.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's all in the befuddled mess you call your mind.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> yeah, keep talkin. saying it's so doesn't make it so. and STILL 
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> don't say what real practical experience you have with cables 
>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>> makes you such an expert. but actually, don't keep talkin. I'm 
>>>>>>>> done
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> you..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Speaking as one who has had  formal education in electronics and 
>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>> spent 50 odd years pushing all sorts of signals through all 
>>>>>>> sorts of
>>>>>>> cables, I say that you are talking through your arse.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> so then genius, now explain to me please how a HDMI spec 1.1 
>>>>>> cable can
>>>>>> perform the same as a HDMI spec 2 cable?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Did he say that? most respondents say that cable specs do have a
>>>>> bearing but not in the context of the argument.
>>>>
>>>> well since a spec 1.1 cable can't handle 16 bit colour and 1080p,
>>>> obviously you will see a better picture with the spec 2 cable.
>>>>
>>> But will not show in the way you described.
>>
>> I have said I can see differences between HDMI leads, so what are you on
>> about?
>>
> No one is saying that there is no difference (But not as much as the 
> monster waffle) but the difference will be breakdown of picture not 
> what you quoted,
> "I burnt the same movie on a TDK disc, and it played fine. I prefer to 
> use LG tho since I get a better picture from them. TDK discs have 
> better colour saturation, but are less clear than LG (not as sharp)"

no, that was not about leads, but about the media .ie. the discs

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              Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Trevor <trevor@home.net> - 2016-01-26 16:03 +1100
        Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-01-20 20:19 +0000
          Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jeßus <j@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-24 09:36 +1100
            Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2016-01-24 00:51 +0000
              Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jeßus <j@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-27 07:39 +1100
            Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen news13 <newsthirteenspam-spam@woa.com.au> - 2016-01-26 00:20 +0000
              Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jeßus <j@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-27 07:38 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen XR8 Sprintless <xr8_sprint@hotmail.com> - 2016-01-27 21:50 +1000
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-29 09:46 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 10:48 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen XR8 Sprintless <xr8_sprint@hotmail.com> - 2016-01-30 01:20 +1000
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-30 07:37 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jeßus <j@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-30 08:31 +1100
  Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-15 06:31 +1100
    Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2016-01-15 15:10 +1100
      Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-15 15:14 +1100
        Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-15 15:56 +1100
          Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-16 11:08 +1100
            Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 12:59 +1100
              Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-16 14:24 +1100
            Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jeßus <j@invalid.lan> - 2016-01-16 13:25 +1100
              Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-16 14:10 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jeßus <j@invalid.lan> - 2016-01-16 15:13 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2016-01-16 16:02 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-16 16:48 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 19:36 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-16 20:57 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 03:59 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jeßus <j@invalid.lan> - 2016-01-17 09:34 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-16 16:44 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen jonz <johnhhhinton7@gmail.com> - 2016-01-15 22:29 -0800
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 19:34 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-16 20:52 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 03:56 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jeßus <j@invalid.lan> - 2016-01-17 09:38 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 10:02 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-17 10:28 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 11:46 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2016-01-17 01:39 +0000
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jeßus <j@invalid.lan> - 2016-01-17 13:33 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-17 13:39 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 13:46 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jeßus <j@invalid.lan> - 2016-01-17 14:14 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2016-01-17 13:47 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen Jeßus <j@invalid.lan> - 2016-01-17 14:11 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-17 14:18 +1100
                Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 13:42 +1100
      Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-15 15:55 +1100
        Re: DVD picture doesn't fill the screen felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-15 20:53 +1100

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