Re: Short name for USB

Subject	Re: Short name for USB
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From	"25B.E866" <25B.E866@noaaba.net>
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Date	2023-02-19 23:11 -0500
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On 2/19/23 6:53 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 19/02/2023 04:08, 25B.R866 wrote:
>> On 2/18/23 5:11 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 18/02/2023 06:50, 25B.R866 wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>    Mostly true for the 99.999%
>>>>
>>>>    They have ONE disk, they write files to it, they
>>>>    don't care if it's sda1 or sda2 or whatever - they
>>>>    use the '/' partition for everything.
>>>>
>>> I have one disk. I dont write files to it.
>>> It mounts no less than 18 remote NFS shares of machines all over the 
>>> place including a home server.
>>
>>    A perfectly valid approach. Dunno about NFS though ...
>>    SAMBA is theoretically "better" these days and more
>>    portable insofar as Winders goes. SAMBA also has a
>>    LOT of fine-tuning tweaks and more access/security
>>    control.
>>
> I used to run SMB, but eliminated all non linux machines from my 'cloud' 
> which is essentially single user also does not need security, and I 
> preferred the more open mechanism of NFS.
> 
> I have a fixed public IP address which allows a very secure access to my 
> 'public' machines via simple firewall rules.  Home/office machines are 
> behind a NAT router which disallows all but specific inbound access.
> 
> 
>>    I mostly use some little laptops at home - with
>>    VERY little internal storage space. So, I got one
>>    of those nice little 4-bay Sinology NAS and have
>>    a pair of 12tb drives in it set up as RAID-1.
>>    However it's using SMB, not NFS.
>>
> *shrug* I simply move yeteryears  desktops to todays server. Load up te 
> towers with spinning rust..
> 
>>> These are where the data is.
>>> Ultimately it makes a desktop or laptop machine crash trivial to 
>>> recover from.
>>
>>    You are less likely to "lose everything" fer sure.
>>
> Yes. Ok if the house catches fire, perhaps, but in terms of disk 
> failures I am very safe.
> 
>>    I'm still hoping for a Linux version of something
>>    like "Macrium Reflect" though - something that can
>>    easily do a full image of a running machine on a
>>    schedule. The current "well, just take down yer
>>    box and boot CloneZilla from the CD/Stick to image
>>    yer box" approach kinda sucks. Hey, lots of people
>>    are usually USING those boxes ... downtime is BAD.
>>
> The only real problem I have is backing up live Mysql databases.
> 
>>    Yea, if you're a little creative you CAN craft some
>>    scripts using 'dd' - but remember that it's NOT
>>    gonna be 100% happy with the active partition
>>    (mostly because of the various cache/temp-config/open
>>    files that are changing all the time).
>>
> I use rsync. It happilybacks up running disk data, but that is not 
> always enough

   MySQL and chums are almost THE worst case. They are
   constantly churning - re-indexing, moving stuff
   around, and if there are users it means lots of
   file/record locks that change by the minute.

   This is a case of where you really should stop
   the daemon and then use the correct utilities
   to do the backup. It can all be scripted of course,
   re-start as soon as practical. Preferably schedule
   it all for 3:30am or something for minimal disruption.
   MySQL and friends can stash files all over the
   netiverse alas, so 'dd' just ISN'T gonna get it done.

   RHEL boasts of setups where you can have 'mirror
   servers' anywhere and if one goes down there's
   automatic fall-over. I think this is a for-$$$
   capability. Your backup from the offline unit
   would never be 100% "current", but REAL damned
   close. For smaller biz though .... nah .....

   The "churning" aspect is why I still rec magnetic
   drives for boxes hosting big databases. SSDs have
   improved, but their real-world re-writes figure
   still isn't as good. Depending, you can also run
   the most churney bits of the DB in a RAM disk.
   Some of the apps tuned for the rPI's have been
   tweaked this way so you don't burn out the SD
   card before its time. I wrote a couple of custom
   rPi apps that way Just Because.

   As for "the house burning down" - and yes I do take
   such disasters into consideration - this is where
   'cloud' space for backups comes in. Plain old
   DropBox will work, esp one of the for-$$$ levels.
   Commercial DBox even has 'undo' levels that go
   back for about a year. There are a few others where
   you can sFTP instead of having that dedicated local
   folder as with DBox. ALWAYS pre-encrypt before
   putting anything on The Cloud !!!

>>    Oh wait ... I just figured out a neat-ish way to
>>    do all that stuff .... that'll be my next project :-)
>>    Gotta get a GitHub page .........
>>
>>>>    I don't CARE what a disks UUID might be - I want it,
>>>>    or a replacement, to be found SIMPLY. I always go
>>>>    back and edit 'fstab' to set by-label mounting.
>>>
>>> I dont. No need to.
>>
>>    Meaning you haven't ENCOUNTERED the need - yet  :-)
>>
>>    Disks - even SSDs - DO die. I've got a pile of
>>    them (gotta strip 'em for the magnets and the
>>    attractive platters sometime). The more 'drop
>>    in' the replacement can be made the better.
> 
> In general a dead disk is at least a days work to install, and recreate 
> from backup, anyway. The trivial nature of discovering its UUID and 
> patching the fstab is really not an issue.

   Not a PROBLEM ... but ANNOYING - so I skip that bit.

> My time running commercial IT companies left me very 'cost benefit' 
> oriented. And very chary indeed of anything 'non standard' -  the 
> further you stray from installation defaults the less likely are you to 
> find support on the net.

   Agreed.

> So the time spent on fine tuning a procedure you rarely do, that breaks 
> what 'everyone expects' is not worth it

   Unless it's NECESSARY.

> I have built a system that works for me. For the tasks in hand. Linux is 
> a tool, not a hobby. Its a very good tool, and I learn enough to use it 
> fairly well, but I am not interested beyond that

   I still keep a multi-server smaller biz going, so
   cost/benefit is always in mind. However do to
   certain regulatory requirements "the usual stuff"
   doesn't always cut it. I'm on the 4th gen of a
   custom general backup pgm, most in Python, that
   can take one job and send the data off to a few
   different places in appropriate formats. Alas
   each one died of 'feature creep' that made the
   code unmaintainable. The likely final version I
   re-did in Pascal and left out most of those cool
   'features' that I discovered were NEVER used.
   It's all MUCH cleaner now.

   Why Pascal ? Because lots of strings and string-parsing
   is involved and I *hate* doing strings in 'C'  :-)

   Pascal is also a bit more "self documenting", quasi-
   understandable names for things, less worry about
   pointers-to and null-terminations and other such
   landmines ..... and besides, there's an 'elegance'
   to Pascal - I even loved the old multi-pass IBM/M$
   compiler (and have it on a VM fer fun :-)

   Have never found a Modula2/3 compiler that'll
   reliably work in Linux alas ... a couple are
   supposed to work - until you actually try to
   compile anything ..........

   Hmmmmmmm ... what ever happened to the "Short
   Name For USB ?"  :-)

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    Re: Short name for USB "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2023-02-11 10:59 -0500
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                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-15 12:27 +0100
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                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-15 12:07 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.R867" <25B.R867@noaaada.net> - 2023-02-16 01:38 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-16 10:24 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-16 12:39 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-16 18:44 +0000
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                Re: Short name for USB not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2023-02-20 08:41 +1000
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                Re: Short name for USB Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2023-02-20 17:01 +1000
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-20 11:37 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-20 11:15 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-23 12:01 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-24 13:06 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-20 10:43 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-20 12:38 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2023-02-21 06:02 +1000
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-21 11:12 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2023-02-22 07:43 +1000
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-22 13:37 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-20 10:35 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-20 10:26 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-20 11:44 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-20 11:26 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-20 12:41 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.R866" <25B.R866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-18 00:25 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-18 10:04 +0000
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                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-16 12:45 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2023-02-16 18:11 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.R866" <25B.R866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-18 01:04 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-18 12:37 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.R866" <25B.R866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-18 23:11 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-19 13:03 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.R866" <25B.R866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-18 00:56 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-18 12:40 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.E866" <25B.E866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-19 21:28 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-20 11:28 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.E866" <25B.E866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-21 00:21 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-21 12:52 +0100
              Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-15 07:34 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-15 08:13 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.R866" <25B.R866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-18 01:39 -0500
        Re: Short name for USB not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2023-02-12 08:01 +1000
          Re: Short name for USB "25B.R866" <25B.R866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-18 01:50 -0500
            Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-18 10:11 +0000
              Re: Short name for USB "25B.R866" <25B.R866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-18 23:08 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-19 11:53 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.E866" <25B.E866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-19 23:11 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-20 11:31 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2023-02-20 18:03 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-20 19:21 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.E866" <25B.E866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-20 23:57 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.E866" <25B.E866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-21 00:27 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-21 11:16 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.E866" <25B.E866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-22 01:23 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-19 13:04 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-19 14:11 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.E866" <25B.E866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-19 23:18 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-20 10:46 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.E866" <25B.E866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-20 22:15 -0500

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