Re: Short name for USB

From	"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: Short name for USB
Date	2023-02-18 12:40 +0100
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On 2023-02-18 06:56, 25B.R866 wrote:
> On 2/16/23 6:45 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2023-02-16 07:36, 25B.R867 wrote:
>>> On 2/15/23 6:29 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>> On 2023-02-15 06:57, 25B.R867 wrote:
>>>>> On 2/14/23 10:51 AM, Rich wrote:
>>>>>> 25B.R867 <25B.R867@noaaada.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2/14/23 9:07 AM, Rich wrote:
>>>>>>>> 25B.R867 <25B.R867@noaaada.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>     There are all sorts of fine tweaks you can pick - including
>>>>>>>>>     things like sector size
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sector size is fixed by the disk manufacturer when they create the
>>>>>>>> disk, and for mechanical drives is either 512 bytes or 4096 bytes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You are likely referring to "cluster size" which is a different
>>>>>>>> concept, but is one in which you get to 'tweak' when making a given
>>>>>>>> filesystem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    Probably ... I was posting at 1am   :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    But just for fun bring up OpenSUSE somewhere and use YAST2 to
>>>>>>>    format a hdd ...  there are lots of fine options relating to the
>>>>>>>    disk and its relations with the OS you do NOT see elsewhere - 
>>>>>>> stuff
>>>>>>>    you maybe didn't even realize you could tweak for "special 
>>>>>>> needs".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Read the manual page for mkfs.xxxx for your favorite filesystem and
>>>>>> you'll find all those same "fine options" detailed for you.
>>>>>
>>>>>    Fuck mkfs ... gimme a GUI with checkboxes and lines that
>>>>>    help you pick the right set of params. Much more intuitive,
>>>>>    much less prone to error. You can SEE what you're doing.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Stick to the GUI crutches, and you only become aware of what the 
>>>>>> author
>>>>>> of the GUI crutch allowed you to be aware of.
>>>>>
>>>>>    Don't knock GUIs. As said they (can) make all the little
>>>>>    nuances MUCH more transparent and error-free. A good GUI
>>>>>    adds the makers IQ to yours.
>>>>>
>>>>>    The YAST2 GUI (OpenSUSE also has a text-based "gui") is
>>>>>    really good in this respect. For most 'gparted' is highly
>>>>>    recommended and usually "good enough".
>>>>>
>>>>>    Sorry, this ain't 1995 anymore.
>>>>
>>>> And it ain't Windows, either.
>>>>
>>>> The GUI interface is an afterthought, and doesn't have all the 
>>>> options. That's just a fact.
>>>
>>>    Well, I guess you're perfect and will NEVER screw up
>>>    the 97 params needed for a CL app ..........  :-)
>>>
>>>    Sorry, GUIs have a USEFUL PLACE these days. Quicker,
>>>    surer. Their limits are the authors - some are VERY
>>>    good, others not so much.
>>
>> Of course they have a place and are useful. I don't deny that. But 
>> GUIs do not expose all the possibilities, either.
> 
>    They can expose the MOST USEFUL possibilities that are
>    relevant to 99.999% of the users. Yea, the CL versions
>    may expose a few extras - but almost NOBODY will need them.
>    That's just not enough to rec the CL approaches.

I use them every week.

> 
>> Me, when I do something repeatedly, including a repeat a year later, 
>> simply write the recipe to a text file, and then copy paste back the 
>> CLI commands to repeat the procedure.
> 
>    Yep, me too.
> 
>> If a GUI does that, I have to write a long text maybe with photos to 
>> list every option that I have to click. That's a lot of effort. 
>> Happened to me yesterday, as I had to partition, format and prepare an 
>> old disk as encrypted storage. One of the step was the partition 
>> table, for which I used gparted.
> 
>    Screenshots work well ........

Try doing that in Usenet.

> 
>    And, as I said, the 99.999% will NEVER need/want all those
>    micro-nuanced CL options.
> 
>    I don't suggest disappearing the CL utilities, but for almost
>    ALL the GUIs are quicker, clearer, more intuitive and less
>    prone to errors.
> 
>    Hey, I grew up on CL utils, was good with 'pip' and friends -
>    but there ARE generally better alternatives these days.
> 
>    And if you're gonna make RAID arrays ... the OpenSUSE YAST
>    GUI makes it super super super EASY and clear. The CL utils
>    and config-file edits are a NIGHTMARE by comparison. A couple
>    of years ago I had to do it The Hard Way on Centos. NEVER
>    AGAIN BABY !!! Took a half a fuckin' DAY to get everything
>    in order and underway ! Steps, more steps and MORE fuckin'
>    steps asking obscure questions and needing obscure
>    syntax and nums ...............

Well, openSUSE is removing functionality from YaST. Recently they 
removed the sound module. Next are the DNS, DHCP, and web server modules.



> 
>    IMHO, these days, CL utils are mostly job-security for
>    sysadmins - maintaining the profitable 'magic'.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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Short name for USB db <dieterhansbritz@gmail.com> - 2023-02-09 11:28 +0100
  Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-09 11:55 +0100
    Re: Short name for USB db <dieterhansbritz@gmail.com> - 2023-02-09 16:39 +0100
      Re: Short name for USB Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2023-02-09 16:12 +0000
      Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-09 17:48 +0000
      Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-09 18:54 +0100
        Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-09 19:05 +0100
          Re: Short name for USB "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2023-02-09 13:14 -0500
            Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-09 19:21 +0100
              Re: Short name for USB "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noaada.net> - 2023-02-09 21:53 -0500
      Re: Short name for USB "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noaada.net> - 2023-02-09 21:40 -0500
    Re: Short name for USB pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> - 2023-02-10 20:41 +0000
      Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-10 22:48 +0100
      Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-11 08:22 +0000
        Re: Short name for USB marrgol <marrgol@address.invalid> - 2023-02-11 10:41 +0100
        Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-11 11:29 +0100
          Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-11 11:22 +0000
      Re: Short name for USB db <dieterhansbritz@gmail.com> - 2023-02-20 16:41 +0100
  Re: Short name for USB Gerald Gruner <gerald314@yahoo.de> - 2023-02-11 16:33 +0100
    Re: Short name for USB "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2023-02-11 10:59 -0500
      Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-11 16:52 +0000
        Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-11 19:06 +0100
          Re: Short name for USB "25B.R867" <25B.R867@noaaada.net> - 2023-02-14 00:53 -0500
            Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-14 12:46 +0100
              Re: Short name for USB "25B.R867" <25B.R867@noaaada.net> - 2023-02-14 10:06 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-14 16:29 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.R867" <25B.R867@noaaada.net> - 2023-02-15 01:05 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-15 12:27 +0100
            Re: Short name for USB Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2023-02-14 14:07 +0000
              Re: Short name for USB "25B.R867" <25B.R867@noaaada.net> - 2023-02-14 10:10 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2023-02-14 15:51 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.R867" <25B.R867@noaaada.net> - 2023-02-15 00:57 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-15 12:29 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-15 12:07 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.R867" <25B.R867@noaaada.net> - 2023-02-16 01:38 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-16 10:24 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-16 12:39 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-16 18:44 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.R866" <25B.R866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-18 00:29 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2023-02-19 09:23 +1000
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-19 11:41 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2023-02-20 08:41 +1000
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-19 12:53 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2023-02-20 08:46 +1000
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-20 02:55 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2023-02-20 12:07 +1000
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.E866" <25B.E866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-19 23:30 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2023-02-20 17:01 +1000
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-20 11:37 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-20 11:15 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-23 12:01 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-24 13:06 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-20 10:43 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-20 12:38 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2023-02-21 06:02 +1000
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-21 11:12 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2023-02-22 07:43 +1000
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-22 13:37 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-20 10:35 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-20 10:26 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-20 11:44 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-20 11:26 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-20 12:41 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.R866" <25B.R866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-18 00:25 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-18 10:04 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.R866" <25B.R866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-17 23:52 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.R867" <25B.R867@noaaada.net> - 2023-02-16 01:36 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-16 12:45 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2023-02-16 18:11 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.R866" <25B.R866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-18 01:04 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-18 12:37 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.R866" <25B.R866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-18 23:11 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-19 13:03 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.R866" <25B.R866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-18 00:56 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-18 12:40 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.E866" <25B.E866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-19 21:28 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-20 11:28 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.E866" <25B.E866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-21 00:21 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-21 12:52 +0100
              Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-15 07:34 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-15 08:13 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.R866" <25B.R866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-18 01:39 -0500
        Re: Short name for USB not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2023-02-12 08:01 +1000
          Re: Short name for USB "25B.R866" <25B.R866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-18 01:50 -0500
            Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-18 10:11 +0000
              Re: Short name for USB "25B.R866" <25B.R866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-18 23:08 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-19 11:53 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.E866" <25B.E866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-19 23:11 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-20 11:31 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2023-02-20 18:03 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-20 19:21 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.E866" <25B.E866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-20 23:57 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.E866" <25B.E866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-21 00:27 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-21 11:16 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.E866" <25B.E866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-22 01:23 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-19 13:04 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-19 14:11 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.E866" <25B.E866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-19 23:18 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-20 10:46 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.E866" <25B.E866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-20 22:15 -0500

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