Re: Short name for USB

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From	not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev)
Subject	Re: Short name for USB
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc
References	(21 earlier) <pSednd0kcqIHam_-nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@earthlink.com> <63f31add@news.ausics.net> <tsvirq$nmp5$9@dont-email.me> <63f3d1c4@news.ausics.net> <tt28u1$13ulc$5@dont-email.me>
Date	2023-02-22 07:43 +1000
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The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 20/02/2023 20:02, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>> And the ability to
>>> replace broken parts after they have been identified. If that broken
>>> part is a box with a 100pin connector and a heatsink its no different
>>> from a worn distributor or carburettor.
>> 
>> Except the lack of availability from 3rd party parts manufacturers,
>> and corresponding implications with price and wait time.
>> 
> In Europe at least there has been legislation to open up specifications 
> to third party suppliers so that the spares business doesn't become a 
> customer gouging dealership monopoly.
> 
> And remember, the car manufacturers don't actually manufacture cars: 
> they assemble them from components supplied by specialist manufacturers.
> There are only around 6 manufacturers of gearboxes, engines, injection 
> systems etc etc. And even they don't manufacture everything.
> 
> After market parts *work* , mostly. An oxygen sensor is an oxygen sensor 
> and probably is sourced by the manufacturer from more than one supplier, 
> who are free to supply the after market as well.

All agreed, but you're talking about the parts in IC cars. What I
was responding to is where you claimed that electronic modules in
electric cars, things like battery charger, inverter, main
computer, are the same to deal with as something like a worn
distributor or carburettor. They're not, because these modules
are only sold by the car company. I'd be surprised if Europe was
demanding that they open up specs for _that_ side of things, and
it must be quite a new thing if they are.

This is the same as with electronic modules in IC cars, but
electric cars just have more electronics (and higher power stuff,
which is more likely to go wrong in general), so it's more
significant for repairing them, and it all goes back to the fact
that electric cars are more complicated and therefore most of their
critical parts can't be reverse-engineered easily by 3rd party
parts manufacturers, like an oxygen sensor or distributor cap can.

I've heard many such stories about dead electronic modules in IC
vehicles. The latest one was someone I know who had a motor
controller computer fail, with a replacement module costing around
$1000, and last time I heard it had been well over a month waiting
for the new part to arrive at the mechanic's. What model car? No,
this is actually for an off-road quad bike (a common model too)!

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Short name for USB db <dieterhansbritz@gmail.com> - 2023-02-09 11:28 +0100
  Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-09 11:55 +0100
    Re: Short name for USB db <dieterhansbritz@gmail.com> - 2023-02-09 16:39 +0100
      Re: Short name for USB Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2023-02-09 16:12 +0000
      Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-09 17:48 +0000
      Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-09 18:54 +0100
        Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-09 19:05 +0100
          Re: Short name for USB "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2023-02-09 13:14 -0500
            Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-09 19:21 +0100
              Re: Short name for USB "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noaada.net> - 2023-02-09 21:53 -0500
      Re: Short name for USB "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noaada.net> - 2023-02-09 21:40 -0500
    Re: Short name for USB pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> - 2023-02-10 20:41 +0000
      Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-10 22:48 +0100
      Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-11 08:22 +0000
        Re: Short name for USB marrgol <marrgol@address.invalid> - 2023-02-11 10:41 +0100
        Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-11 11:29 +0100
          Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-11 11:22 +0000
      Re: Short name for USB db <dieterhansbritz@gmail.com> - 2023-02-20 16:41 +0100
  Re: Short name for USB Gerald Gruner <gerald314@yahoo.de> - 2023-02-11 16:33 +0100
    Re: Short name for USB "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2023-02-11 10:59 -0500
      Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-11 16:52 +0000
        Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-11 19:06 +0100
          Re: Short name for USB "25B.R867" <25B.R867@noaaada.net> - 2023-02-14 00:53 -0500
            Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-14 12:46 +0100
              Re: Short name for USB "25B.R867" <25B.R867@noaaada.net> - 2023-02-14 10:06 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-14 16:29 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.R867" <25B.R867@noaaada.net> - 2023-02-15 01:05 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-15 12:27 +0100
            Re: Short name for USB Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2023-02-14 14:07 +0000
              Re: Short name for USB "25B.R867" <25B.R867@noaaada.net> - 2023-02-14 10:10 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2023-02-14 15:51 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.R867" <25B.R867@noaaada.net> - 2023-02-15 00:57 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-15 12:29 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-15 12:07 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.R867" <25B.R867@noaaada.net> - 2023-02-16 01:38 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-16 10:24 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-16 12:39 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-16 18:44 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.R866" <25B.R866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-18 00:29 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2023-02-19 09:23 +1000
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-19 11:41 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2023-02-20 08:41 +1000
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-19 12:53 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2023-02-20 08:46 +1000
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-20 02:55 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2023-02-20 12:07 +1000
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.E866" <25B.E866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-19 23:30 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2023-02-20 17:01 +1000
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-20 11:37 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-20 11:15 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-23 12:01 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-24 13:06 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-20 10:43 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-20 12:38 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2023-02-21 06:02 +1000
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-21 11:12 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2023-02-22 07:43 +1000
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-22 13:37 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-20 10:35 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-20 10:26 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-20 11:44 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-20 11:26 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-20 12:41 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.R866" <25B.R866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-18 00:25 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-18 10:04 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.R866" <25B.R866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-17 23:52 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.R867" <25B.R867@noaaada.net> - 2023-02-16 01:36 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-16 12:45 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2023-02-16 18:11 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.R866" <25B.R866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-18 01:04 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-18 12:37 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.R866" <25B.R866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-18 23:11 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-19 13:03 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.R866" <25B.R866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-18 00:56 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-18 12:40 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.E866" <25B.E866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-19 21:28 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-20 11:28 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.E866" <25B.E866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-21 00:21 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-21 12:52 +0100
              Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-15 07:34 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-15 08:13 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.R866" <25B.R866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-18 01:39 -0500
        Re: Short name for USB not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2023-02-12 08:01 +1000
          Re: Short name for USB "25B.R866" <25B.R866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-18 01:50 -0500
            Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-18 10:11 +0000
              Re: Short name for USB "25B.R866" <25B.R866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-18 23:08 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-19 11:53 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.E866" <25B.E866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-19 23:11 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-20 11:31 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2023-02-20 18:03 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-20 19:21 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.E866" <25B.E866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-20 23:57 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.E866" <25B.E866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-21 00:27 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-21 11:16 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.E866" <25B.E866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-22 01:23 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-19 13:04 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-19 14:11 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.E866" <25B.E866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-19 23:18 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-20 10:46 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.E866" <25B.E866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-20 22:15 -0500

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