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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.os.linux.misc, alt.usage.english, alt.books, rec.arts.books, alt.books.reviews |
| Subject | Re: School stories |
| Date | 2026-04-05 04:07 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <7os8amxtmd.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> (permalink) |
| References | (11 earlier) <MPG.443a026fb186b5b19896cc@news.individual.net> <cmp0tk56r8q56lnl8enqmcn746vkh954c6@4ax.com> <10qqg0k$gbh6$2@dont-email.me> <2ia7amxg4q.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> <10qrs9m$vbgg$1@dont-email.me> |
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On 2026-04-04 22:28, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > > > On 4/4/26 04:50, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2026-04-04 09:52, Nuno Silva wrote: >>> (Maybe this one needs to be narrowed to less groups, or sent to >>> alt.unix.geeks?) >>> >>> On 2026-04-04, Steve Hayes wrote: >>> >>>> On Fri, 3 Apr 2026 18:00:06 +0100, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> In article <71jusk9gmgrk5b9rccv1tq7h6ec0rs2ua9@4ax.com>, >>>>> hayesstw@telkomsa.net says... >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2 Apr 2026 19:33:18 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, 02 Apr 2026 05:33:56 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Both Kipling and Lewis wrote about Edwardian English public >>>>>>>> schools. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Lewis also mentioned schools in his fiction, most notably in >>>>>>>> "The Silver >>>>>>>> Chair", where he describes authoritarianism in what was >>>>>>>> ostensibly a >>>>>>>> libertarian school. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kipling wrote about the hazing of the younger students by the >>>>>>> older ones. >>>>>>> In 'Surprised by Joy' Lewis strongly hints there was a sexual >>>>>>> element. >>>>>> >>>>>> Lewis doesn't merely hint. He says quite clearly that there was >>>>>> sexual >>>>>> exploitation at the school he attended. There were not merely >>>>>> adolescent crushes, but there was systemic exploitation as well. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'd be surprised if Kilpling used the term hazing, or was >>>>> referring >>>>> to that American activity. He was probably talking about the >>>>> different British custom fagging >>>>> >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fagging >>>> >>>> I have only a vague idea of what "hazing" is, and assumed it meant >>>> something like what was euphemistically called "fresher orientation" >>>> at one of the universities I attended, in which new students were >>>> humiliated in various ways to make them understand that they were >>>> lower than shark shit. >>> >>> It's sad that some people do think such orientation has to come with >>> "hazing". It's perfectly possible to have a community and activities for >>> orientation and integration purposes without harassment or >>> humiliation. Yet some, seeing it with milder harassment, will assume >>> it's good because it can be less strong... >> >> When I was at Uni in Madrid, at the Uni itself there was none. The >> studies were terrifying, no need to add more pain. >> >> However, at the halls of residence (DeepL says that is the translation >> for "Colegio Mayor") it was a different story. At mine it was very >> mild. At others it was much worse. >> > > Generally hazing is done to test the Mettle of the new parties and > group hazing build bonds between those who share misery. > More exclusive hazing for the Franternities and Sororities of which > I have no personal experience builds intensity loyalty supposedly to > te Greek Letter clubs. In some of the USA's great universities like > Yale and Harvard it builds bonds that are sustained for life as the > members promise to support one another in their business and > political lives. A very exclusive society, Skull and Bones, has > contributed several presidents and other high officials to the > USA. Not the worst either since Trump became president. > If he had lost this present term, George Bush of the Iraq War > would hold the title. > > bliss - HS graduate who has been reading a lot since 1955 The "uni halls of residence" where I lived broke this simply by expelling 120 of 200 students the next year. Hard to keep traditions alive. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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