Re: Short name for USB

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From	Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid>
Subject	Re: Short name for USB
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc
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Date	2023-02-20 17:01 +1000
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25B.E866 <25B.E866@noaaba.net> wrote:
> On 2/19/23 8:55 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2023-02-19 23:46, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 2023-02-19 00:23, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>>>> 25B.R866 <25B.R866@noaaba.net> wrote:
>>>>>> ??? Electrics are VASTLY simpler machines - usually you don't
>>>>>> ??? even need a transmission.
>>>>>
>>>>> MECHANICALLY simpler. If you're driving along and your motor
>>>>> controller lets out the smoke, you're not exactly going to be able
>>>>> to rig up a fix on the road side. Probably not even if you're the
>>>>> engineer who designed it.
>>>>
>>>> Same with an ICE.
>>>>
>>>> If the motor computer in my gasoline car breaks, I can not start or run
>>>> the car till it is repaired or replaced.
>>>
>>> Yes but electric isn't making that situation any better, which is
>>> what I read from 25B.R866's "Electrics are VASTLY simpler
>>> machines". In fact if a current model of either breaks down it's
>>> probably an equal headache to fix because neither technology is
>>> remotely simple anymore.
>> 
>> 
>> Mechanically they are way simpler.
> 
>   That was my main point ... consider ALL the moving parts
>   in today's petrol engines. The things are VERY complicated.
>   Yea, x-percent of the parts are just replicated, but still
>   it's a LOT of parts and there are a few VITAL support
>   systems too.
> 
>   Electrics = stator+rotor and a couple bearings and you don't
>   even need a tranny. Feed the wheels directly and you can
>   skip the pumpkin(s) too.
> 
>   In BOTH kinds of motors, these days, there's a complicated
>   computerized control unit. They won't run without it. Yer
>   '54 Chevy would, but not anything made today. On the plus
>   side, such units are basically plug-ins - quick (but $$$)
>   to replace.

Actually the complicated control unit made the mechanical parts
less complicated in IC engines (no distributor, carburettor,
etc.). The mechanical complexity went down, but the overall
complexity went up. What I think you're trying to say is that
_reliability_ is better with electric cars (provided they get the
design right, I suppose), and in principle I agree with that.

The thing is that I'd quite like electric cars to be simple overall
because then both the electronics and the mechanics would be within
the grasp of a backyard mechanic again. In practice they make it
all too complicated, and even figuring out how to replace a module
without the main computer spitting out rude error messages might be
beyond someone without the manufacturer's documentation at hand.
That's after you shell out a fortune for the replacement module and
wait a couple of months for it to travel across the globe.

>   BATTERIES are the bane of electrics alas ... they need to
>   be a LOT better and I do *not* see anything on the near
>   horizon. Oh sure, lots of 'exciting research' reports -
>   but the prototypes are maybe a square millimeter and
>   they NEVER scale up to real, affordable, production.

Yep, I agree on that.

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Short name for USB db <dieterhansbritz@gmail.com> - 2023-02-09 11:28 +0100
  Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-09 11:55 +0100
    Re: Short name for USB db <dieterhansbritz@gmail.com> - 2023-02-09 16:39 +0100
      Re: Short name for USB Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2023-02-09 16:12 +0000
      Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-09 17:48 +0000
      Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-09 18:54 +0100
        Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-09 19:05 +0100
          Re: Short name for USB "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2023-02-09 13:14 -0500
            Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-09 19:21 +0100
              Re: Short name for USB "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noaada.net> - 2023-02-09 21:53 -0500
      Re: Short name for USB "26C.Z968" <26C.Z968@noaada.net> - 2023-02-09 21:40 -0500
    Re: Short name for USB pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> - 2023-02-10 20:41 +0000
      Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-10 22:48 +0100
      Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-11 08:22 +0000
        Re: Short name for USB marrgol <marrgol@address.invalid> - 2023-02-11 10:41 +0100
        Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-11 11:29 +0100
          Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-11 11:22 +0000
      Re: Short name for USB db <dieterhansbritz@gmail.com> - 2023-02-20 16:41 +0100
  Re: Short name for USB Gerald Gruner <gerald314@yahoo.de> - 2023-02-11 16:33 +0100
    Re: Short name for USB "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2023-02-11 10:59 -0500
      Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-11 16:52 +0000
        Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-11 19:06 +0100
          Re: Short name for USB "25B.R867" <25B.R867@noaaada.net> - 2023-02-14 00:53 -0500
            Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-14 12:46 +0100
              Re: Short name for USB "25B.R867" <25B.R867@noaaada.net> - 2023-02-14 10:06 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-14 16:29 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.R867" <25B.R867@noaaada.net> - 2023-02-15 01:05 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-15 12:27 +0100
            Re: Short name for USB Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2023-02-14 14:07 +0000
              Re: Short name for USB "25B.R867" <25B.R867@noaaada.net> - 2023-02-14 10:10 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2023-02-14 15:51 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.R867" <25B.R867@noaaada.net> - 2023-02-15 00:57 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-15 12:29 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-15 12:07 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.R867" <25B.R867@noaaada.net> - 2023-02-16 01:38 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-16 10:24 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-16 12:39 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-16 18:44 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.R866" <25B.R866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-18 00:29 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2023-02-19 09:23 +1000
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-19 11:41 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2023-02-20 08:41 +1000
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-19 12:53 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2023-02-20 08:46 +1000
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-20 02:55 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2023-02-20 12:07 +1000
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.E866" <25B.E866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-19 23:30 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2023-02-20 17:01 +1000
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-20 11:37 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-20 11:15 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-23 12:01 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-24 13:06 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-20 10:43 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-20 12:38 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2023-02-21 06:02 +1000
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-21 11:12 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2023-02-22 07:43 +1000
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-22 13:37 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-20 10:35 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-20 10:26 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-20 11:44 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-20 11:26 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-20 12:41 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.R866" <25B.R866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-18 00:25 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-18 10:04 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.R866" <25B.R866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-17 23:52 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.R867" <25B.R867@noaaada.net> - 2023-02-16 01:36 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-16 12:45 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2023-02-16 18:11 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.R866" <25B.R866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-18 01:04 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-18 12:37 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.R866" <25B.R866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-18 23:11 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-19 13:03 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.R866" <25B.R866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-18 00:56 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-18 12:40 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.E866" <25B.E866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-19 21:28 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-20 11:28 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.E866" <25B.E866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-21 00:21 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-21 12:52 +0100
              Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-15 07:34 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-15 08:13 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.R866" <25B.R866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-18 01:39 -0500
        Re: Short name for USB not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2023-02-12 08:01 +1000
          Re: Short name for USB "25B.R866" <25B.R866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-18 01:50 -0500
            Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-18 10:11 +0000
              Re: Short name for USB "25B.R866" <25B.R866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-18 23:08 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-19 11:53 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.E866" <25B.E866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-19 23:11 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-20 11:31 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2023-02-20 18:03 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-20 19:21 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.E866" <25B.E866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-20 23:57 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.E866" <25B.E866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-21 00:27 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-21 11:16 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.E866" <25B.E866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-22 01:23 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-02-19 13:04 +0100
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-19 14:11 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.E866" <25B.E866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-19 23:18 -0500
                Re: Short name for USB The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-20 10:46 +0000
                Re: Short name for USB "25B.E866" <25B.E866@noaaba.net> - 2023-02-20 22:15 -0500

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