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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.physics.relativity |
| Subject | Re: ...all those Science guys |
| Date | 2022-06-14 10:28 -0700 |
| Organization | The Starmaker Organization |
| Message-ID | <62A8C549.64B2@ix.netcom.com> (permalink) |
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Volney wrote: > > On 6/14/2022 2:23 AM, Thomas Heger wrote: > > Am 13.06.2022 um 19:04 schrieb Volney: > >> On 6/11/2022 6:48 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > >>> Volney wrote: > >>>> > >>>> On 6/11/2022 12:37 AM, Thomas Heger wrote: > >>>>> Am 10.06.2022 um 07:37 schrieb The Starmaker: > >>>>>> Most people are not aware... > >>>>>> (even among this very newsgroup) > >>>>>> that all those Science guys > >>>>>> who worked on > >>>>>> The Manhattan Project > >>>>>> *didn't* want to work on > >>>>>> The Manhattan Project. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> They had better things > >>>>>> to do than work for > >>>>>> Albert Einstein's project. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Those science guys were > >>>>>> *forced* to work on > >>>>>> The Manhattan Project. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Against their will. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> They were ...drafted. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> The atomic bomb was most likely well known, before the Manhattan > >>>>> Project > >>>>> even started (most likely known by Einstein himself). > >>>>> > >>>>> The reason: > >>>>> > >>>>> the inventor of the atomic bomb Leo Szillard and Einstein have > >>>>> patented > >>>>> a 'fridge', which has only one known use in a fast breeding reactor. > >>>> > >>>> Totally absurd! > >>>> > >>>> First, this was patented in 1926, but the science behind breeder > >>>> reactors wasn't even known then. The neutron wasn't discovered until > >>>> 1932, atomic fission wasn't known until 1938, and plutonium in 1940. > >>>> How could something be created for a use which was entirely unknown at > >>>> the time of patenting? > >>>> > >>>> Secondly, it does have non-nuclear uses. It has been used to keep > >>>> vaccines cold in third world countries, as it only needs heat, no > >>>> electricity. It's also very much like propane refrigerators used in > >>>> RVs > >>>> and "off the grid" people everywhere. > >>>> > >>>> Third, it uses liquid butane and dissolved ammonia in its operation, > >>>> which tells me that there is no way it could work at the high > >>>> temperatures of a nuclear reactor. > >>>> > >>>> You apparently got that crap from Starfarter, who also claimed that, > >>>> and > >>>> also claims many incorrect bizarre claims about Einstein, and many > >>>> other > >>>> things as well. You should be embarrassed for believing anything from > >>>> Starfarter. > >>>>> > >>>>> Therefore there was a need for such a device already in 1930 in > >>>>> Germany. > >>>> > >>>> Like what? Nobody knew of nuclear fission, neutrons or plutonium, much > >>>> less the combination of them known as a fast breeding reactor. Or any > >>>> nuclear reactor, for that matter. > >>>>> > >>>>> And the only known use of a fast breeding reactor is to produce > >>>>> Plutonium. > >>>> > >>>> Which was unknown in 1926, and unknown for the next 14 years. BTW > >>>> another use of fast breeders is to simply produce electricity/nuclear > >>>> power. In fact, ALL nuclear reactors do a little bit of breeding > >>>> (making U-238 in their fuel into plutonium, some of which powers the > >>>> reactor during the time before it needs refueling, and is one of the > >>>> dangerous components of spent fuel). > >>>>> > >>>>> And for this dangerous element we also have only a single known > >>>>> reason: > >>>>> atomic bombs. > >>>> > >>>> It can be used for power in nuclear power plants designed to burn > >>>> it. In > >>>> fact, around 1992, Russia gave the US much of its ex-USSR plutonium so > >>>> that it could be used/destroyed in nuclear reactors so couldn't be used > >>>> in bombs. (now Putin wants it back :-) ) > >>>>> > >>>>> That's why we have to think about Mega-fraud in connection to the > >>>>> Manhattan project, too. > >>>> > >>>> What mega-fraud, and what does the Manhattan project have to do with a > >>>> fancy RV refrigerator? > >>>>> > >>>>> A 'good' reason for this project could have been, that all > >>>>> participants > >>>>> were sworn into secrecy, hence could not question the public > >>>>> narrative. > >>>> > >>>> You mean: "If any of us discovers or learns something of extreme > >>>> military significance 12 years from now, don't tell ANYONE! Pinky > >>>> Promise!!!" > >>> > >>> You're not even wrong! > >>> > >>> Your first mistake when you said: > >>> "First, this was patented in 1926, but the science behind breeder > >>> reactors wasn't even known then." > >> > >> Invented in 1926, patented Nov 11, 1930. This doesn't affect my point. > >>> > >>> > >>> The patent was filed by Einstein in Dec 16, 1927 > >>> https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/53/e9/74/2cde176701fab8/US1781541.pdf > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Your second mistake was...when you said.."...but the science behind > >>> breeder > >>> reactors wasn't even known then." > >>> > >>> > >>> It was Albert Einstein who INVENTED the science behind breeder > >>> reactors! > >> > >> Absurd. Neither Einstein, nor anyone else, knew of nuclear fission, > >> neutrons nor plutonium in 1926, knowledge of all of which would be > >> needed to even come up with the concept of a "breeder reactor". > >> > >> The motivation behind his refrigerator invention was reading a newspaper > >> story how an entire family was killed when poisonous refrigerant leaked > >> from a conventional refrigerator and he wanted to create a refrigerator > >> without a seal which could leak. > > > > > > Einstein's fridge could not work. > > The fact that it *did* work obviously shows that this is wrong. If > reality conflicts with a claim, it's not reality which is wrong. > > It failed commercially because Freon was invented so standard > refrigerators could be used without poisonous refrigerants, it wasn't > efficient, and rise of Nazism/WW2. > > > > It uses three different substances, and the actual refridgerant is > > liquid butane. > > Both ammonia and butane are refrigerants. It provides cooling by > converting ammonia and butane to gas, in the evaporator to the right. "refrigerants"? Finally you're getting close to what Albert Einstein had in mind..'a substance used for refrigeration'. a process, not a machine. He needs to cool his nucler reactor so he won't have a 3 mile island china syndrome. You're not full of VOLONEY like I thought you were.. you just....confused. > > > > But there is no ventury tube or similar in the path of the butane vapor, > > just a tube with a heat exchanger (No 5). > > > > But the cooling effect is usually caused by expansion of the coolant in > > such a tube, which Einstein's fridge didn't have. > > > > I also see no means, that would keep the butane liquid. > > The whole system is under a certain pressure. It works by producing > different partial pressures of ammonia and butane in different portions > of the device, plus absorption/release of gas in liquid. -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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Re: ...all those Science guys Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-06-20 07:44 +0200
Re: ...all those Science guys Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-06-21 06:58 +0200
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Re: ...all those Science guys The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-06-25 20:30 -0700
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Re: ...all those Science guys Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-06-26 21:29 +0200
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Re: ...all those Science guys Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-06-26 01:19 -0400
Re: ...all those Science guys Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-06-25 22:38 -0700
Re: ...all those Science guys Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-06-26 21:10 +0200
Re: ...all those Science guys nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-06-26 11:22 +0200
Re: ...all those Science guys Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-06-26 03:12 -0700
Re: ...all those Science guys Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-06-26 21:22 +0200
Re: ...all those Science guys nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-06-10 09:42 +0200
Re: ...all those Science guys Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-06-25 08:49 +0200
Re: ...all those Science guys Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2022-06-10 14:35 +0200
Re: ...all those Science guys nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-06-10 15:55 +0200
Re: ...all those Science guys patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-06-10 09:05 -0700
Re: ...all those Science guys nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-06-15 11:24 +0200
Re: ...all those Science guys Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2022-06-15 11:35 +0200
Re: ...all those Science guys The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-06-15 15:00 -0700
Re: ...all those Science guys nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-06-16 12:26 +0200
Re: ...all those Science guys Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-06-11 06:37 +0200
Re: ...all those Science guys The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-06-11 12:12 -0700
Re: ...all those Science guys Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-06-12 07:45 +0200
Re: ...all those Science guys Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-06-11 17:37 -0400
Re: ...all those Science guys The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-06-11 15:48 -0700
Re: ...all those Science guys Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-06-13 13:04 -0400
Re: ...all those Science guys Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-06-14 08:23 +0200
Re: ...all those Science guys Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-06-14 11:03 -0400
Re: ...all those Science guys The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-06-14 10:28 -0700
Re: ...all those Science guys nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-06-14 20:27 +0200
Re: ...all those Science guys Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-06-15 12:29 +0200
Re: ...all those Science guys Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-06-15 12:04 -0400
Re: ...all those Science guys Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-06-16 07:59 +0200
Re: ...all those Science guys Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-06-16 08:04 +0200
Re: ...all those Science guys Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-06-17 18:54 -0400
Re: ...all those Science guys The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-06-18 00:42 -0700
Re: ...all those Science guys Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-06-18 15:06 +0200
Re: ...all those Science guys nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-06-16 12:26 +0200
Re: ...all those Science guys Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-06-16 08:30 -0700
Re: ...all those Science guys Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-06-17 08:38 +0200
Re: ...all those Science guys Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-06-17 00:18 -0700
Re: ...all those Science guys The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-06-15 15:12 -0700
Re: ...all those Science guys RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2022-06-13 11:45 -0700
Re: ...all those Science guys nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-06-14 13:08 +0200
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