Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW

From	John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc, alt.politics, alt.economy, alt.business, talk.politics.misc
Subject	Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW
Date	2024-11-04 10:20 -0800
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On Mon, 4 Nov 2024 13:01:01 +0000
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> However fabrication limits are getting stuck at 10nm and below,  and 
> clock speeds are stuck at a few GHz which means that the 
> power-performance ratio is pretty much the same for Intel and ARM 
> architectures. Only by having fewer transistors and implicitly doing 
> less, can the power be reduced.
> 
> I.e. Moore's law has basically stopped representing reality. And ARM
> is no longer fantastic power performance compared with Intel. Its one 
> advantage is it doesn't have to support a legacy architecture. And so 
> its probably cheaper and less buggy.

I've long held that necessity will ultimately force a serious rethink of
programming practices w.r.t. resource-efficiency once Moore's Law runs
afoul of pesky real-world physics principles, i.e. "eighteen inches is a
nanosecond" vs. "you can't cram an arbitrary amount of stuff into a
finite space without creating a black hole." Gonna be real interesting
when we finally hit the wall.

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  Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-03 08:48 +0000
    Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-03 19:15 +0000
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