Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW

From	The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc, alt.politics, alt.economy, alt.business, talk.politics.misc
Subject	Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW
Date	2024-11-04 13:01 +0000
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On 04/11/2024 03:25, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
> My direct experience with Pi4 vs Pi5 is that the thing
>    seems mostly twice as fast. The 5 may have better power
>    management too - but at full tilt it can use more juice.

I was having a chat yesterday with a man who was fairly involved with 
ACORN and ARM back in the day. He put it very simply:

For a given clock speed, which is limited by the physical dimensions of 
the chip, the smaller the transistors the less power it takes to run the 
chips.

However fabrication limits are getting stuck at 10nm and below,  and 
clock speeds are stuck at a few GHz which means that the 
power-performance ratio is pretty much the same for Intel and ARM 
architectures. Only by having fewer transistors and implicitly doing 
less, can the power be reduced.

I.e. Moore's law has basically stopped representing reality. And ARM is 
no longer fantastic power performance compared with Intel. Its one 
advantage is it doesn't have to support a legacy architecture. And so 
its probably cheaper and less buggy.

So the price performance is probably still there, but not power.

-- 
Civilization exists by geological consent, subject to change without notice.
  – Will Durant

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  Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-03 08:48 +0000
    Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-03 19:15 +0000
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      Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 22:58 +0000
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              Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-04 18:41 +0000
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                Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-04 18:59 +0000
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                Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-11-04 10:20 -0800
                Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-04 18:30 +0000
                Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-11-04 10:45 -0800
                Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-04 19:57 +0000
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                Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-06 11:11 +0000
                Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-06 17:49 +0000
                Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-06 18:38 +0000
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                Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-07 10:36 +0000
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        Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-04 05:06 +0000
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