Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW

Subject	Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW
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Date	2024-11-06 16:41 -0500
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On 11/6/24 6:11 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 06/11/2024 00:26, rbowman wrote:
>> On Tue, 5 Nov 2024 23:38:55 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> On 05/11/2024 20:31, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>> On the other hand, I recently re-worked a summary report program to
>>>> build the entire table in memory and spew it out after all input files
>>>> had been read, because I realized that these days, given the finite
>>>> volume of data I'm working with, I effectively _do_  have unlimited
>>>> memory.
>>>
>>> I have a friend who does maths research, involving operations on
>>> gigantic matrices.
>>> His original code, some of which is assembler to access some obscure
>>> INTEL instructions to do with vector maths, was designed to use 128GB.
>>> On someone else's extremely expensive computer in a far away land.
>>> That is no longer an option, and he spent last week rewriting it to suit
>>> the biggest motherboard he can easily obtain.
>>>
>>> Typically a run takes several months. The power usage on the computer is
>>> about 500W.
>>>
>>> So people can still find ways to push the limits of computers.
>>
>> AI is great for that. You know you're in trouble when companies are 
>> trying
>> to buy nuclear plants to keep the lights in in the computing centers.
>>
> Frankly I regard that as pure serendipity.
> The world needs nuclear power in unheard of quantities, and if AI is the 
> trigger to start that avalanche, I dont care if in the end its utterly 
> pointless.
> 
> The nuclear power stations will still be there. and usable
> 
> 
>> It doesn't get as much mention yet but all that energy eventually becomes
>> heat. Is the answer something like the Seabrook nuke where you can use 
>> the
>> Atlantic to keep the processors cool? When they were building Seabrook 
>> one
>> of the spins was that the lobsters would love their cozy new homes.
>>
> 
> Yes. There is a distinct change in species near the outfalls of coastal 
> reactors - but its the same for any thermal power plant - aside from CCGT..
> 
> 60% of  the energy ends up as low grade heat. (Its more like 30% on a 
> CCGT but no one is talking about efficient uses of Uranium via a tow 
> stage gas/steam turbine setup yet). Its dirt cheap and plentiful. So 
> waste heat it will be.
> 
> But there are more ways of using low grade heat than spaffing it up a 
> cooling tower. SMRs built near cities, could heat them. Or acres of 
> polytunnels growing plants unable to survive in the local climate.
> 
> De-salination plants for fresh water.
> 
> Thermodynamics tells us that in a thermal plant, 100% effeciency is not 
> available, and its a balance between efficiency and cost. No one is 
> comfortable mixing extremely hot high pressure steam and nuclear 
> reactors, so they run at safer temperatures and pressures.


   An insane amount of energy goes into just HEATING WATER
   for whatever uses.

   If yer nuke plant has pre-heated the water, as you said,
   there are many uses for it, recover an extra percentage of
   the heat.

   They keep trying to get more electricity from 'lower'
   quality heat sources ... but from what I can tell it
   may not be worth it except maybe in a space station
   or similar. Easier to just use "warm" for what it is.

   Anyway, thermodynamics is The Law and no kind of power
   plant is gonna be close to 100% efficiency.

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  Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-03 08:48 +0000
    Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-03 19:15 +0000
      Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-03 15:25 -0500
      Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 22:58 +0000
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              Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-04 18:41 +0000
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                Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-04 18:30 +0000
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