Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW

From	rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
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Subject	Re: Nvidia Replaces Intel on DOW
Date	2024-11-04 02:49 +0000
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On Sun, 3 Nov 2024 18:30:47 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

>    ANYway - ARM can surely improve chip performance, but should that be
>    it's priority, something to blow the net worth on ? Lower-energy
>    seems more of an ARM thing and what all 'device' owners want.

It isn't clear to me how the interaction of Arm Holdings and their 
licensees works. Arm Holdings doesn't fabricate devices. Overlooking the 
current feud, when Arm licenses its designs to Qualcomm, who is 
responsible for the integration into a Snapdragon SoC?

The Raspberry Pi family is another example. The Pi 4 uses the Broadcom 
BCM2711 with 4 Cortex-A72 cores at 1.5 GHZ. The Pi 5 has the BCM2712 with 
4 Cortex-A76 cores at 2.4 GHz. The 5 is much faster but requires a better 
power supply. Cooling is strongly suggested if you're going to push it.  
How much of the power and performance difference is from the core design 
and how much from Broadcom's decisions during integration. 

The A78 is claimed to be better for power and performance where the 
Cortex-X1 is the balls to the wall rework of the A78 used in the 
Snapdragon 888 but that design also has 3 A76 cores and 4 A55 cores to 
balance things out. 

The first devices were hot little buggers which ultimately got blamed on 
Samsung's manufacturing process versus TSMC so it seems It's not only the 
Arm design but who fabs the device.

https://www.patentlyapple.com/2021/05/tsmc-bailed-qualcomm-out-of-a-jam-
earlier-this-year-when-the-snapdragon-888-produced-by-samsung-caused-
overheating-issues.html

In short, Arm's designs are aimed at different criteria but much of the 
responsibility depends on what the licensees do with the designs. Bring on 
the finger pointing.

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